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Copernicus | # 921 | 2012-10-30, 15:45 | Report

Originally Posted by marmistrz View Post

But if you know your app is unusable in portrait (e.g. Calendar, Qt Quick apps), you X-CSSU it!

I know my app is unusable in portrait, that's why I locked it into landscape to begin with!

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sixwheeledbeast | # 922 | 2012-10-30, 21:31 | Report

Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post

Sure, that's fine -- but it brings up another point. Just what userbase is the CSSU intended to serve? Certainly, devs and power users can enjoy it now; but this "debugging dev only" option seems likely to trip up novice users. You really need to do a lot of massaging of config files to get this "feature" working right. So, is this really meant to be the next "Seamless Software Update"?

Forced-rotation comes as disabled.
It's just muppets that install all sorts and modify things they don't understand.
Your not going to fix this easily.

Yes, we all start as novices at some point.
From some of the stupid questions on here (many repeated over and over) you can tell the difference between a muppet and a genuine novice.

Originally Posted by marmistrz View Post

And if an user really wants it, he just edits .desktop

So instead of having one text file to add package names, you will have to enter every apps .desktop file to test portrait support.

Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post

Yeah, but if the user then wants to force the rotation of that app, they have to both turn the forcerotation on, and edit the .desktop file. Kind of a pain.

I guess that's my question -- is forced rotation still meant to be a debugging tool (so having lots of broken apps around when you turn it on is fine), or a feature (where you want all apps to work correctly)? It just doesn't seem designed efficiently for use as a feature...

Exactly. Agreed, Glad the question has been brought up.

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Copernicus | # 923 | 2012-10-30, 22:18 | Report

Originally Posted by sixwheeledbeast View Post

Forced-rotation comes as disabled.
It's just muppets that install all sorts and modify things they don't understand.

Are you saying here that forced-rotation actually is just a debugging tool, and therefore not meant for general use?

The sense I'm getting from the discussion is that forced rotation is one of the most popular features of CSSU. Power users, novices, muppets, everybody -- the first thing they want to do with the CSSU is play with rotation.

Personally, I think it is unreasonable for us to assume that normal users of CSSU aren't going to want to turn on forced rotation. And as such, I'd prefer that it be already turned on, but only for those apps that benefit from it; rather than have it hidden away, and need significant configuration after being turned on to fix all the things it inevitably breaks...

don_falcone | # 924 | 2012-10-30, 22:32 | Report

...something different now, maybe? Thanks! Who recompiled contacts-db? Opening call logs and messages is very quick now!

sixwheeledbeast | # 925 | 2012-10-30, 22:52 | Report

Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post

Are you saying here that forced-rotation actually is just a debugging tool, and therefore not meant for general use?

Yes. All be it used for the wrong purpose now.

Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post

The sense I'm getting from the discussion is that forced rotation is one of the most popular features of CSSU. Power users, novices, muppets, everybody -- the first thing they want to do with the CSSU is play with rotation.

And... it clearly states on the CSSU wiki (or on a sub-page) that forced-rotation will be unstable and is a development tool.
Any application not working in portrait is not bug.

Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post

I'd prefer that it be already turned on, but only for those apps that benefit from it; rather than have it hidden away, and need significant configuration after being turned on to fix all the things it inevitably breaks...

I partially agree.
I feel CSSU should act like stock Maemo PR1.3.
When forced-rotation is chosen to be enabled, it's forced-rotation is controlled, so only the apps benefit from it are forced.
This makes a better experience to user/muppet-land.

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branja | # 926 | 2012-10-30, 23:53 | Report

How can I check what version is my phone on?
It seems that I f... up something & I can't get it to update...it even says that I don't have cssu installed & I've installed it.

When I try to update anything via x term I get: ": GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
W: GPG error: http://marmistrz.net63.net fremantle Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9431AED09369EB78
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
Nokia-N900:~#"

tnx in advance...

freemangordon | # 927 | 2012-10-31, 06:37 | Report

Originally Posted by Copernicus View Post

Are you saying here that forced-rotation actually is just a debugging tool, and therefore not meant for general use?

The sense I'm getting from the discussion is that forced rotation is one of the most popular features of CSSU. Power users, novices, muppets, everybody -- the first thing they want to do with the CSSU is play with rotation.

Personally, I think it is unreasonable for us to assume that normal users of CSSU aren't going to want to turn on forced rotation. And as such, I'd prefer that it be already turned on, but only for those apps that benefit from it; rather than have it hidden away, and need significant configuration after being turned on to fix all the things it inevitably breaks...

Are you sure you are not mixing the things? As CSSU comes with two "portraits":

1. Portrait mode support for hildon-desktop, task navigator and applications, which is disabled by default in -stable branch and needs to be explicitly enabled by the user

2. forced rotation, which is causing you the problems with pierogi

The first one is an officially supported feature, the second is not.

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sixwheeledbeast | # 928 | 2012-10-31, 07:29 | Report

Originally Posted by branja View Post

How can I check what version is my phone on?
It seems that I f... up something & I can't get it to update...it even says that I don't have cssu installed & I've installed it.

When I try to update anything via x term I get: ": GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
W: GPG error: http://marmistrz.net63.net fremantle Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9431AED09369EB78
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
Nokia-N900:~#"

tnx in advance...

USEFUL INFORMATION

Kernel Version

Code:

uname -r

in a terminal.

Kernel Frequencies

Code:

sudo kernel-config show

in a terminal.
Should be 250-600Mhz, and SR VDD1 & 2 on with KP50>

OS Version

Code:

Settings > About (Community SSU)

Latest PR1.3.1 = 21.2011.38-1
Latest CSSU Stable = 21.2011.38-1Smaemo4.1

The EXPIREDKEY has been covered in another thread and will not stop you updating.

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freemangordon | # 929 | 2012-10-31, 07:48 | Report

Originally Posted by branja View Post

How can I check what version is my phone on?
It seems that I f... up something & I can't get it to update...it even says that I don't have cssu installed & I've installed it.

When I try to update anything via x term I get: ": GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546
W: GPG error: http://marmistrz.net63.net fremantle Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9431AED09369EB78
W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
Nokia-N900:~#"

tnx in advance...

Google might be your friend sometimes

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87208

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branja | # 930 | 2012-10-31, 09:23 | Report

kernel: v52
Frequencies: I use it OCed on a daily basis. 500-900; VDD1 is 0, VDD2 is 1; ignore nice load is 0; threshhold is 85; sampling rate is 150000; powersave bias is 0...
OS version: PR1.3.1 = 21.2011.38-1
CSSU...the thing is, I don't have that in options. That is why I asked what is wrong with my device in the first place.
Also, when I tried to manage views on hildon desktop, it appears that I only have 4 backgrounds...& when I've tried to change something in the CSSU features it says ''warning: community ssu is not installed'' and I installed it a long time ago (CSSU testing, to be precise).