Originally Posted by marmistrz

(...)People would die anyway. Normally in the poorer countries, where the population growth is much bigger(...)

Originally Posted by marmistrz

According to Russian scientists, GM may cause infertility of the GM-fed organisms' grandchildren. Can you prove it wrong?

Originally Posted by marmistrz

I was doing a small research for school and know a little more than in the school books.

Originally Posted by marmistrz

You say I can buy natural food. True, for the time being. For the time being. Sometimes the initially the fodder-only plants get into the human-food market, and it becomes like in the US or Canada, that there are absolutely no natural cultivations.

Originally Posted by marmistrz

These are the photos of rats fed with:

J: GM
K: GM & RoundUp
L: RoundUp

These are the tumors. Can you prove it wrong?

Originally Posted by marmistrz

And... don't quote Monsanto studies, as they're too short to be taken in account. they're 3 months long, when tumors started appearing after 4 months!

Originally Posted by Garrett_PL

Right, so in Your opinion there is nothing we can do about it, just leave it how it is now?

Originally Posted by Garrett_PL

Can You prove it right? Like in low, when there is an doubt You can't use it as an argument.

Originally Posted by Garrett_PL

Ehehe, so You need good few more years on the horticulture topic to even come close to have Your own opinion based on Your own thoughts, not someone else.

Originally Posted by Garrett_PL

You know what RoundUP is, right? And how growing crops (corn will be best example) after killing previous ones on the same area using RoundUP works? Thats compleatly diffrent thing. RoundUP is for killing all what's green (grass,weeds,vegs,etc.) - thats strong (and expensive :-) stuff). Do You actually have,had, anything to do with genetics, agriculture??? I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Garrett_PL

Yes, but what You can say about tumors, cancer on people or animals that where eating only good stuff all their lives, come on. It's like people in Poland would like to have motorways, but no one want to live closer than 20km from them??? So we all would like to benefit, but non willing to give something back.

Originally Posted by Garrett_PL

Thats me on that topic, there is no point to argue - there is only one way, You won't change it.

Originally Posted by Blimer

ja mam tylko nadzieję że nie wprowadzą nam tego. Strach pomyśleć co dzieje się z ludźmi po tym...

Originally Posted by Garrett_PL

Right, no offence champ but I'm not interested in talking with different web pages instead You. Internet is not the right source for information on that topic (this thread is the proof for that). You would need to have a look at science publications, and actually have a word with people who spend their entire life on genetics.
''Superweeds'' - as You caled it, will evolve as well after wrong usage of herbicydes (on and on the same active ingriedient - in this case RoundUP, Gallup, etc.). And on top of that, when You say "let's destroy more" (sarcasm of course), the main goal for GM plants is to increase amount of fruts/vegetables from the same area - which means less fertilasers, herbicides, etc.
What I'm trying to say is, You have to know the basics about genetics, agriculture instead going thru all kind of web sites to argue. But the good thing about it is that after each post I can see You improving and getting new words (which I don't think You fully understand).

The health effects of a Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize (from 11% in the diet), cultivated
with or without Roundup, and Roundup alone (from 0.1 ppb in water), were studied 2 years in rats. In
females, all treated groups died 2–3 times more than controls, and more rapidly. This difference was vis-
ible in 3 male groups fed GMOs. All results were hormone and sex dependent, and the pathological pro-
files were comparable. Females developed large mammary tumors almost always more often than and
before controls, the pituitary was the second most disabled organ; the sex hormonal balance was mod-
ified by GMO and Roundup treatments. In treated males, liver congestions and necrosis were 2.5–5.5
times higher. This pathology was confirmed by optic and transmission electron microscopy. Marked
and severe kidney nephropathies were also generally 1.3–2.3 greater. Males presented 4 times more large
palpable tumors than controls which occurred up to 600 days earlier. Biochemistry data confirmed very
significant kidney chronic deficiencies; for all treatments and both sexes, 76% of the altered parameters
were kidney related. These results can be explained by the non linear endocrine-disrupting effects of
Roundup, but also by the overexpression of the transgene in the GMO and its metabolic consequences.

Originally Posted by Blimer

ja mam tylko nadzieję że nie wprowadzą nam tego. Strach pomyśleć co dzieje się z ludźmi po tym...

Originally Posted by Garrett_PL

It took You long time to answer :-D I did ask You question, do You have anything in common with agriculture, genetics or any other part of science that is related to plants, because You diverting the topic now to Herbicides, which has nothing in common with genetics. Alsow every Your answer is just Internet sites quotes (not Your own thoughts). I'm not attacking You at all lad (above I wrote ''no offence''), it's just You have no idea what so ever what You talking about. Next time before You agitate on Internet, make sure to do the google search first. I'm done explaining to You every Internet quote.