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2012-12-17
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specc isn't giving full facts; flash a Lumia 800 with Qualcomm bootloader to WP7.8 and if you flash back, you would lose the unlocked bootloader regardless of being on wp7.5 or wp7.8...
Also didn't Microsoft ban all WP7 devices from marketplace? So if you don't upgrade you are using a paper weight nothing more; how is this useful?
If your Lumia 800 doesn't have the Qualcomm bootloader, you cant root it easily on wp7.8 vs the ease of flashing open mode kernel on the n9...
Oh specc before you bluff more remember there are others here with lumias too with the difference being that our lumias are hideous creatures collecting dust in cupboards due to its various limitations...
Also didn't Microsoft ban all WP7 devices from marketplace? So if you don't upgrade you are using a paper weight nothing more; how is this useful?
If your Lumia 800 doesn't have the Qualcomm bootloader, you cant root it easily on wp7.8 vs the ease of flashing open mode kernel on the n9...
Oh specc before you bluff more remember there are others here with lumias too with the difference being that our lumias are hideous creatures collecting dust in cupboards due to its various limitations...
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2012-12-17
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
I don't know what you mean, but here it is:
specc isn't giving full facts; flash a Lumia 800 with Qualcomm bootloader to WP7.8 and if you flash back, you would lose the unlocked bootloader regardless of being on wp7.5 or wp7.8...
Also didn't Microsoft ban all WP7 devices from marketplace? So if you don't upgrade you are using a paper weight nothing more; how is this useful?
If your Lumia 800 doesn't have the Qualcomm bootloader, you cant root it easily on wp7.8 vs the ease of flashing open mode kernel on the n9...
Oh specc before you bluff more remember there are others here with lumias too with the difference being that our lumias are hideous creatures collecting dust in cupboards due to its various limitations...
http://smartphonegeeks.in/2012/03/tu...stom-firmware/
Btw, I wonder if Nokia care suite can be used on the N9? If that's the case the case, then it really can be flashed properly. Anyone tried?
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2012-12-17
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Originally Posted by specc
I don't know what you mean, but here it is:
http://smartphonegeeks.in/2012/03/tu...stom-firmware/
Btw, I wonder if Nokia care suite can be used on the N9? If that's the case the case, then it really can be flashed properly. Anyone tried?
My point wasn't what you linked to... I meant that there have been several Lumia 800's with Qualcomm boot-loaders that allow a greater sort of freedom with devices in terms of side-loading etc
Once you flash WP7.8, these boot-loaders allow the flash no problem but they become restricted like all the other Lumia 800s without the Qualcomm boot-loader... Now using your downgrade philosophy I should be able to downgrade and get back the unlocked Qualcomm boot-loader but nope you can't do it... De-branding a device is not equal to what I am referring to...
Also my next point was I'm pretty sure if use plain-old WP7 not 7.5, you are not allowed access to Marketplace as M$ wants to push you onto an upgrade to prevent fragmentation; the same will repeat now that WP7.8 is being rolled out... Wait a few months and downgrading to WP7.5 will leave you out of the marketplace too...
Lastly, FYI you are dealing with Nokia devices here which regardless of OS are actually one of the easiest to flash... Nokia Care Suite should work for any device made by Nokia including Symbian and the N9; its a replacement for Phoenix in a way if I'm not wrong... Phoenix gave a GUI too for flashing incl. the N9...
What you need to remember is only Harmattan Flasher in CLI is given out by Nokia legally while Phoenix, Nokia Care Suite etc are actually Nokia's properties not to be used by the public... Its another thing they are routinely leaked out but to nit pick illogically like you do then there doesn't exist a way to flash devices other than Harmattan & Maemo ones...
[edit] The reality is there exists a way to downgrade firmware on the N9 but that can be done by the flasher that is only in the hands of the Harmattan team hence if leaked it would take a few seconds to fire the person while Nokia Care Suite, Phoenix etc are issued to Nokia Care branches, Nokia Factories etc hence can be leaked easily... FWIW the current method is to download FW from Navifirm and flash using NCS but increasing number of Nokia Care branches are moving to Nokia Software Updater For Care/Retail which usually contains latest FWs only so if Navifirm is turned off I don't know how you are going to keep getting downgrade firmware images... [/edit]
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2012-12-17
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
Lots of info here. The point is that "debranding" an N9 is equal to downgrading due to version numbering considering the same firmware version.
My point wasn't what you linked to... I meant that there have been several Lumia 800's with Qualcomm boot-loaders that allow a greater sort of freedom with devices in terms of side-loading etc
Once you flash WP7.8, these boot-loaders allow the flash no problem but they become restricted like all the other Lumia 800s without the Qualcomm boot-loader... Now using your downgrade philosophy I should be able to downgrade and get back the unlocked Qualcomm boot-loader but nope you can't do it... De-branding a device is not equal to what I am referring to...
Also my next point was I'm pretty sure if use plain-old WP7 not 7.5, you are not allowed access to Marketplace as M$ wants to push you onto an upgrade to prevent fragmentation; the same will repeat now that WP7.8 is being rolled out... Wait a few months and downgrading to WP7.5 will leave you out of the marketplace too...
Lastly, FYI you are dealing with Nokia devices here which regardless of OS are actually one of the easiest to flash... Nokia Care Suite should work for any device made by Nokia including Symbian and the N9; its a replacement for Phoenix in a way if I'm not wrong... Phoenix gave a GUI too for flashing incl. the N9...
What you need to remember is only Harmattan Flasher in CLI is given out by Nokia legally while Phoenix, Nokia Care Suite etc are actually Nokia's properties not to be used by the public... Its another thing they are routinely leaked out but to nit pick illogically like you do then there doesn't exist a way to flash devices other than Harmattan & Maemo ones...
[edit] The reality is there exists a way to downgrade firmware on the N9 but that can be done by the flasher that is only in the hands of the Harmattan team hence if leaked it would take a few seconds to fire the person while Nokia Care Suite, Phoenix etc are issued to Nokia Care branches, Nokia Factories etc hence can be leaked easily... FWIW the current method is to download FW from Navifirm and flash using NCS but increasing number of Nokia Care branches are moving to Nokia Software Updater For Care/Retail which usually contains latest FWs only so if Navifirm is turned off I don't know how you are going to keep getting downgrade firmware images... [/edit]
With a lumia you can flash at will, legal or not. With the N9 you can't. I don't see what relevance this has to features of the market place,regardless of how stupid they are.
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2012-12-17
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Originally Posted by specc
Debranding an N9 is possible!!! You take a pr1.2 N9 tied to your network and flash global pr1.3! AFAIK there are no new N9s sold with pr1.3 pre-installed from telcos so its possible... So you can't say totally not possible to de-brand! Also you can flash a same or higher pr_legacy (not pr version) if tied to pr1.3 Telco version so de-branding is possible!
Lots of info here. The point is that "debranding" an N9 is equal to downgrading due to version numbering considering the same firmware version.
With a lumia you can flash at will, legal or not. With the N9 you can't. I don't see what relevance this has to features of the market place,regardless of how stupid they are.
Relevance to marketplace applies as there is NO way to install apps on WP7.8 other than using marketplace (you can deploy 10 apps using developer account but pay $99/yr for that first) and if you downgrade to WP7 you can't install ANY app so what good is a phone that is worse than Asha series?
specc if you want to argue about something you should know about it but it seems like you are taking your experience with the n9 which you didn't do things properly and just comparing to the 800 without knowing full facts...
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2012-12-17
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Nitpicking. As I said, debranding is equal to downgrading. You cannot debrand within the same firmware version. The moment you start using a new N9 with pr1.2 it will ask you to upgrade ota. Once that is done there is no way back. So yes, debranding is possible, but in real life it is just a useless feature for anyone purchasing the N9.
Read carefully now: with a lumia you can that's the difference, and it is not just a theoretical possibility long lost once you have had your phone a couple of hours.
With all your apparent "knowledge" you are still stuck on a hopeless branding if you have pr1.3.
This is just one of the things that was lost from the N900 to the N9.
Read carefully now: with a lumia you can
that's the difference, and it is not just a theoretical possibility long lost once you have had your phone a couple of hours.With all your apparent "knowledge" you are still stuck on a hopeless branding if you have pr1.3.
This is just one of the things that was lost from the N900 to the N9.
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2012-12-17
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If you call downgrading to WP7 with no access to marketplace a good feature then I have a magic potion to sell to you to cure you 
Oh and whatever branding you have on pr1.3 N9 can be removed so I don't see an issue there... Unlike WP having any version of pr1.3 for n9 has NO difference unless you are using China version which also has a work-around!
Oh and whatever branding you have on pr1.3 N9 can be removed so I don't see an issue there... Unlike WP having any version of pr1.3 for n9 has NO difference unless you are using China version which also has a work-around!
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2012-12-17
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Originally Posted by thedead1440
Well then please elaborate how you do that. Get a branded pr1.3 to vanilla pr1.3. Seriously, I would like to know.
Oh and whatever branding you have on pr1.3 N9 can be removed so I don't see an issue there...
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2012-12-17
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Originally Posted by specc
Give me your definition of "branded" first...
Well then please elaborate how you do that. Get a branded pr1.3 to vanilla pr1.3. Seriously, I would like to know.
Nope. Not so meaningful after all...