Dave999 | # 11 | 2013-01-07, 15:25 | Report

From Jolla's prescribes? Lots of potential customers, plus guys and girls with knowledge to influence their environment to look at vendors. Plus, after all their are a few really good application devs and other great people. Could that be intressting to jolla or they don't care?

Ken-Young | # 12 | 2013-01-07, 16:01 | Report

Their "unlike" slogan is very awkward, and inelegant sounding. It's as if they wanted to use "different", but decided that sounded too much like Apple. Many of their statements peppered with "unlike", such as the one above, make me cringe when I read or hear them. It's not clever, it's grating.

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stlpaul | # 13 | 2013-01-07, 17:14 | Report

"unlike" is what people do on Facebook when they no longer like something.

Ken-Young | # 14 | 2013-01-07, 18:11 | Report

Yes, I know. That makes Jolla's excessive use of the word even more bizarre, IMO.

joerg_rw | # 15 | 2013-01-07, 19:01 | Report

What I'm stating here is with my councilor hat on, but not yet checked back with all other council members.

I'm very much in line with thedead1440's post - except for me not considering Jolla's answer as any negative per se, and I think Hildon Foundation board is a bit overdoing on what the board can offer to Jolla. I'd prefer board to act a bit more humble, and to refer more to community it is suposed to serve, not posessing it (nobody ever is in posession of a community)

While council might have known of the content of HiFo's open letter in advance, it's still not on behalf of council, and council's point of view regarding the whole topic and the best way to aproach it might differ slightly.

When you're searching for supporters to donate funds, you usually don't want to do this in a "contract negotiation" way. I'd prefer to see board asking politely if funding could maybe considered by Jolla, and putting emphasis on the implicit "automatic" benefit for Jolla (regarding their good reputation/image) of doing so. Of course on top of this it's naturally when board puts supporters on their supporters-page, and I guess board won't hesitate to grant Jolla a huge "thank you!" there, designed in whatever way Jolla prefers. This is something board actually can offer, since they have control over it.

In addition the council offers to ask the maintainers of this very forum to have a sub-forum for sailfish/jolla here, if Jolla is interested (well, I guess we'll get that anyway, but hey :-D). If we at council can help in any other way to further/foster Jolla and sailfish, I'd ask Jolla to let us know - I think it's in best interest of maemo community to see Jolla and sailfish prosper and we're not in a position to demand anything. The support that maemo council offers to Jolla (however small it might be) is unconditional and based on good relations, mutual respect, and the common strive to bring the best most open phone OS to everybody.
A suggestion to Jolla regarding this: you could port sailfish to N900 as a technology preview or proof-of-concept, to instantly win the maximum possible attention and excitement in whole maemo community :-). I'm sure a lot of this community's gifted developers would instantly pick up and help on further development, even if maybe the implementation is partial at beginning and possibly (I don't know) the hw platform even might have limitations that never will allow sailfish to excel to what it no doubt will be on Jolla's future own products.

Best regards
jOERG (councilor)

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shawnjefferson | # 16 | 2013-01-08, 01:46 | Report

I thought the HF letter was pretty well written. Reading between the lines of Jolla's response I got this from it:

"We don't have any money to give you, sorry. We're not interested in supporting old Nokia devices or operating systems, maybe if you put more support behind Mer and Nemo... who knows what may happen in the future."

Just my take.

I also thought the Jolla response very poorly written, but I'll put that down to English as a second language (along with their unfortunate "unlike" slogan.) I think we should wish them the best, but not expect any financial support from that front any time soon (if ever).

qwazix | # 17 | 2013-01-08, 10:24 | Report

That. And six more chars.

Dave999 | # 18 | 2013-01-08, 10:58 | Report

We ARE, and WE should! Not as community BUT as customers!

I have the highest expectations of the companies I buy from when it comes to presentation, information, price, products, you name it!

If jolla won't support us with money it's understandable(even if a very small amount would be a nice gesture)., but they should not ignore us as customers. They can't sit in the shell forever. Hope they give us something sooner rather than never. Now they know where we re thanks to the letter.

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rcolistete | # 19 | 2013-01-11, 11:38 | Report

My view of Maemo.org & Jolla :
- Talk Maemo.org is the main forum for Maemo & MeeGo Harmattan users & developers;
- Jolla Sailfish OS needs native softwares (in Qt/Qt Quick), despite use of Alien Dalvik to run many Android softwares;
- some Maemo 5 and all MeeGo Harmattan softwares with GUI use Qt/Qt Quick;
- Sailfish OS Qt Quick Components is expected to be similar to Qt Quick Components of MeeGo Harmattan;
- so, a good relationship between Maemo.org & Jolla can help boost releasing many native Qt/Qt Quick softwares to Sailfish OS, ported from Maemo 5 and MeeGo Harmattan.

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ivgalvez | # 20 | 2013-01-11, 11:58 | Report

Absolutely true.

And I think that Jolla really needs to offer itself as the real successor of Fremantle and Harmattan, if they want to have a real community involved in their products. Consider that one of their real competitors, Canonical, already has a well known brand, a large user base, a community and all the infra they need.