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2006-05-01
, 18:11
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TBH, I think the "it's a Euro firmware - the USians only have themselves to blame" is potentially a red herring[1].
The release was announced internationally on maemo-announce and the other Maemo mailing lists and so far all the releases have (IIRC) been binary identical whether downloaded from the US or Europe.
Could it just be that the timezone problem is more annoying to people with a larger time difference; and that - as with all releases - different people see different problems depending on their use cases?
Cheers,
Andrew
[1] Like communism.
The release was announced internationally on maemo-announce and the other Maemo mailing lists and so far all the releases have (IIRC) been binary identical whether downloaded from the US or Europe.
Could it just be that the timezone problem is more annoying to people with a larger time difference; and that - as with all releases - different people see different problems depending on their use cases?
Cheers,
Andrew
[1] Like communism.
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2006-05-01
, 18:32
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@ Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Banner: Actually, as a Canadian, I thought it was refreshing that www.nokia.com pointed to Europe. The update was nowhere to be found on www.nokia.us. 
I also agree with aflegg to some degree, it's pretty much voodoo magic explaining the EU image issues by one's geographic location of North America. So far as the phones/wifi connectivity issues go, those are definately a possibility. The only standard in place worldwide is the headache you get trying to get them to talk with eachother.
(Also Banner, thanks for taking my original post as it was meant (ie not an attack)).
I also agree with aflegg to some degree, it's pretty much voodoo magic explaining the EU image issues by one's geographic location of North America. So far as the phones/wifi connectivity issues go, those are definately a possibility. The only standard in place worldwide is the headache you get trying to get them to talk with eachother.
(Also Banner, thanks for taking my original post as it was meant (ie not an attack)).
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2006-05-01
, 18:35
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I am in the US, and knowingly downloaded it. Clock is off, but I just set it, and forget it. Everything else works fine, and at least seems faster. Just my 2¢.
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2006-05-01
, 22:04
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You know, Banner, I don't want to gang up on you, but I really think you're out of line here. It seems to me like you didn't do any research on the 770 before buying one.
IMO, you should have been able to figure out it was the device for you either before you bought it or within a few hours of buying it. If it wasn't, you should have returned it then.
Sounds to me like you should be upset with yourself for not checking to make sure the device met your needs before buying it, and now you'd rather blame Nokia than take the responsibility yourself.
I don't think the 770 is perfect. Far from it. But I knew what I was getting when I bought it. You should have, too. If you didn't, you have no one to blame but yourself.
Originally Posted by Banner
It's not a phone.Well I'm stuck with the phone
Originally Posted by Banner
Can you point out a place in Nokia's marketing where they say the 770 will read MS documents? Did the update make the email app worse?I'd hoped I'd be able to do email with it, and documents, but the email prog is pretty much crap and it doesn't read MS documents
IMO, you should have been able to figure out it was the device for you either before you bought it or within a few hours of buying it. If it wasn't, you should have returned it then.
Originally Posted by Banner
There appears to be one bug, that relating to time zones, and it has an easy fix. Since you've been in the software field for a while, I'm assuming you can follow the simple instructions to fix the problem. If you don't want to do that, wait for Nokia to come out with a fix, it shouldn't be long. Either way, your response is way over the top.But to be honest when I see that they release 'new' software that intoduces blatently obvious bugs
Sounds to me like you should be upset with yourself for not checking to make sure the device met your needs before buying it, and now you'd rather blame Nokia than take the responsibility yourself.
I don't think the 770 is perfect. Far from it. But I knew what I was getting when I bought it. You should have, too. If you didn't, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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2006-05-01
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@ Stimutax, AZ
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Originally Posted by Banner
Wishful thinking, eh?Then why in the world was this release a complete piece of crap? Please answer that. IF they were doing like you claim, this release should not have broken anything that worked. This release should have been an improvment all around.
But it wasn't. This release should NEVER have seen the light of day. The facts support my argument, your's is based on wishful thinking. Yes it would be nice if Nokia had made this release better than the last one. But they didn't.
That action speaks volumns.
I'm sorry, which fact that I presented was wrong?
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2006-05-02
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are you all retarted? i already said ive confirmed this over the phone with nokia. the euro version will mess up a us tablet and wont run properly. remove it and wait 2 weeks for the new us version. for a bunch of computer geniuses you sure know how to ignore information and ask the same ****ing question 30 times.
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2006-05-02
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@ Chicago, IL
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I installed this upgrade without knowing it was an Euro version and would have done it even if I had known that. I had been suffering from all the little bugs referred to in this forum, especially the email app and newsreader. This upgrade has fixed both apps and made the device much more reliable. This clock issue every one is posting about is a mystery to me I set mine to US Central after the upgrade and have never had a problem, before the upgrade the clock was always about 3 mins slow!! Now that drove me nuts. The only issue I have now is every time I launch the Email app it shows I have 1 item in the outbox, when I go to open the outbox it disappears. Certainly no big deal but very strange that no one else has seen it. I’m no software expert and don’t even play one on TV but one does begin to wonder, if we all installed the same version how can it be behaving so differently on what is identical hardware???
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2006-05-02
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@ London, UK
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Originally Posted by ByronZanos
No, we're not ******ed, just that your original posting seemed so ill informed that I guess many of us chose to ignore it - here's your original post:are you all retarted? i already said ive confirmed this over the phone with nokia. the euro version will mess up a us tablet and wont run properly. remove it and wait 2 weeks for the new us version. for a bunch of computer geniuses you sure know how to ignore information and ask the same ****ing question 30 times.
Originally Posted by ByronZanos
Why are you talking about a phone? What phone? Who's phone? The 770 is not a phone. Nokia support reps sadly know precious little about the 770 - ignore them, if they referred to the 770 as a phone then how much confidence do you really have in their advice? My answer: none. If they were referring to your cellular phone, there's no way the 770 upgrade could damage your cell phone.
... I spoke to Nokia today and they told me not to download the Euro version cause it may not work properly on my US phone. Furthermore, they said it could damage my phone. Depending on where you got your phone, there are slight differences.
Last edited by Milhouse; 2006-05-02 at 00:50.
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2006-05-02
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@ Philadelphia, PA
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i too have installed the euro-version and have had no problems whatsoever. i have however enabled the extrootfs wolfram made, so things may work out a little differently for me. I haven't had any issues here, and the system overall feels a little more responsive.
US firmware: 3.2005.51-13 (December 30, 2005)
Euro firmware: 5.2006.13-17 (April 18, 2006)
It states on the Euro download page "Product Support: Europe, Middle East, Africa". Maybe this is a case of Nokia being a European company and they are servicing the European market first? Since most technology is usually released to the US before Europe, perhaps this explains why Banner mistakenly assumed firmware on the European site would work in the US? In theory it should, but perhaps to save space Nokia are tailoring the firmware for it's intended market (ie. dropping US cell phone services etc.)
EDIT: Upon reflection, the confusion about Euro firmware can probably be blamed on tech sites, including ITT. If you navigate to www.nokia.com, choose your region then to 770 support you will get the firmware relevant to your region, however ITT and other tech sites/newsgrups/blogs publicised the latest firmware with direct links to maemo.org and even Nokia Europe - perhaps in future they should point out that our US cousins may need to wait for the US-specific release. Then again, this hypothesis could all be cr*p and both the US and Euro versions turn out to be bit-identical in which case the firmware is crocked...
Last edited by Milhouse; 2006-05-01 at 17:00.