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2013-03-21
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Originally Posted by nonikhanna
To many dreamers in this forum.... thats for sure....
Nokia can just use Sailfish OS if they want to get away from WP. I know it seems ironic. Jolla would probably welcome them into their "ecosystem" lol. Maybe Jolla is a way for nokia to develop their own OS without interference from Microsoft, and get investors interested in it. Jolla could merge with Nokia later on, if WP strategy does end up to be a complete bust. imagine merging sailfish OS with Meego harmattan with Alien Dalvik!!! now that would be a crazy combo!
Or Nokia could merge their swipe patents with blackberry OS and build something great, and truly emerge as the third major ecosystem.
meh all theories. But as long as elop is in charge, I dont think he will look at anything else other than the big bucks from microsoft. I think his contract will be up over soon.....
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2013-03-21
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Originally Posted by gerbick
It was from IHS Screen Digest.I need proof that's not from Tomi Ahonen (sp?).
Originally Posted by gerbick
NOKIA's sales grew in 2010 but the overall market grew faster and so their market share declined.The fact that Nokia was on a decline from the introduction of the iPhone
For the past couple of years Apple's rate of growth has only been slightly greater than the overall market's growth. Should they dip under this year would you recommend they announce they're going to completely abandon iOS and exclusively adopt whichever OS has the smallest market share at that moment in order to halt the decline? What are the chances of that working?
These charts suggest NOKIA's performance wasn't nearly as bad as some would have you believe:
Symbian^3 devices were introduced at the end of 2010, NOKIA's average selling price for smart devices jumped from EUR 136 in Q3 2010 to EUR 156 in Q4 2010. They sold 28.3 million units in Q4 2010 compared to 26.5 million in Q3 2010 and 20.8 million in Q4 2009.
The N8 which was released in Q4 2010 was NOKIA's first full touchscreen device (i.e. iPhone style) that wasn't dreadfully ugly and woefully under-powered. Even so, camera aside, the spec was well below the Galaxy S that had been released several months earlier and when the SII was announced in Q1 2011 it totally blew the N8 out of the water.
Initially in Q1 2011 NOKIA stated demand for the N8 had exceeded their ability to supply it, shortly after Elop harpooned it.
I'm not saying everything in NOKIA's garden was rosy, in fact I'm surprised they were doing as well as they were given the state of their hardware relative to their competitors, but there's a real tendency in some quarters to exaggerate how badly they were doing.
Plus, of course, many of us were impatiently waiting for the first MeeGo device (the true iPhone/Galaxy SII rival) to appear...
Originally Posted by gerbick
Almost every one of NOKIA's competitors had adopted Android so it's cummulative upswing wasn't a huge surprise. Sure that predates Elop's 'burning platforms' press release but it's not a justification for his action. It's blindingly obvious he did what he did to benefit Microsoft irrespective of the consequences for NOKIA.and the upswing of Android predates the infamous Elop "burning platform" statement.
Originally Posted by gerbick
Canonical are using Qt/QML for Ubuntu mobile's apps. Huawei have joined Samsung in planning to release Tizen devices.And here, we agree. Samsung got Tizen from MeeGo. BlackBerry got the UI from Harmattan. Canonical got... well, they already had Ubuntu and Unity. Jolla, no comment there. They got engineers et al. Huawei... erm, not sure about that one either.
Originally Posted by Bernard
I think you're being too generous calling it 'unproven', I think it was already a proven failure. Other manufacturers had tried Windows Phone and failed with it before NOKIA.I was also very surprised that Nokia chose such an unproven platform.
Originally Posted by Bernard
I completely agree with you here, I think the N8 was the first Symbian phone to have a separate GPU wasn't it? But yes they had tiny little processors and tiny amounts of RAM, combine that with a genuinely multitasking OS and you can run out of resources pretty soon.This wasn't just because of the SDK, but also because of the hardware. Prior to the September 2011 the Symbian phones had an insanely limited amount of video memory, you could say that they just were not designed for games.
Imo NOKIA's ugly, low-spec hardware was much more of an issue than Symbian or MeeGo ever was. Now we have the reverse scenario, nice hardware that's hard to sell because of the OS.
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2013-03-21
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Canonical is using a lot of previously open and free software to make their push into mobiles and they will not release their updates in a timely manner (just call it a hunch). Thanks for the Huawei clarification, didn't know that one.
Seriously, that's probably the most inaccurate way to ask the question that you should have asked: "What could Nokia have done differently to grow and expand their influence and sales while attempting to keep pace with the market growth?"
And to that, I have no one true answer other than I would not have done what they/Elop did. Period.
I don't trust Tomi Ahonen's numbers. So his slides, graphs, et al; keep them. They're biased by his recent 3+ year stretch of rants and repeated disappointment in Nokia. Besides, keep those graphs going into 2011. You'll see a lovely peak then plummet.
Whole pictures only. The whole picture or none at all. It's like picking one sentence in the Bible to support your entire basis for religion or opinion. It happens but rarely nobody likes it when it does happen...
Originally Posted by switch-hitter
Should iOS dip below the growth, should they abandon iOS? Dunno, ask Nokia what they would do... oh wait, they abandoned everything for the newly announced and already dead on arrival WP7.For the past couple of years Apple's rate of growth has only been slightly greater than the overall market's growth. Should they dip under this year would you recommend they announce they're going to completely abandon iOS and exclusively adopt whichever OS has the smallest market share at that moment in order to halt the decline? What are the chances of that working?
Seriously, that's probably the most inaccurate way to ask the question that you should have asked: "What could Nokia have done differently to grow and expand their influence and sales while attempting to keep pace with the market growth?"
And to that, I have no one true answer other than I would not have done what they/Elop did. Period.
I don't trust Tomi Ahonen's numbers. So his slides, graphs, et al; keep them. They're biased by his recent 3+ year stretch of rants and repeated disappointment in Nokia. Besides, keep those graphs going into 2011. You'll see a lovely peak then plummet.
Whole pictures only. The whole picture or none at all. It's like picking one sentence in the Bible to support your entire basis for religion or opinion. It happens but rarely nobody likes it when it does happen...
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2013-03-22
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http://www.nokia.com/global/about-no...lts---reports/
Here is from Nokia itself. Sales were growing.
Here is from Nokia itself. Sales were growing.
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2013-03-22
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Not seeing it. Which part of it supports your stance? Feel free to quote or direct link to it.
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2013-03-22
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Originally Posted by gerbick
Why am I in this thread? Oh yeah... DOA... Is Jolla DOA in your book? They don't have comparable money to Samsung who rock the marketing budget world. No other piece of hardware/system can match it, so forget the fight (facebook is going to be with us forever, like MySpace is).
Dunno, ask Nokia what they would do... oh wait, they abandoned everything for the newly announced and already dead on arrival WP7.
Seriously, that's probably the most inaccurate way to ask the question that you should have asked: "What could Nokia have done differently to grow and expand their influence and sales while attempting to keep pace with the market growth?"
And to that, I have no one true answer other than I would not have done what they/Elop did. Period.
I don't trust Tomi Ahonen's numbers.
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2013-03-22
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Originally Posted by szopin
I thought I was addressing Nokia's past and not Jolla. One goddamn thing at a time please.
Why am I in this thread? Oh yeah... DOA... Is Jolla DOA in your book?
Jolla DOA? No. I personally don't think so. They're going where Android has about 78% of the mobile market, where Apple is starting to try to gain and homegrown attempts aren't taken as serious by the locals. But if anybody can do it, Jolla may make a dent into that market if the price and feature set resonates well with the China then the EU markets and users.
They don't have comparable money to Samsung who rock the marketing budget world.
Well that and having Angry Birds on your platform sorta legitimizes your platform as well.
No other piece of hardware/system can match it, so forget the fight (facebook is going to be with us forever, like MySpace is).
*cough*Android*cough*
His numbers usually are fine, the problem is cherry picking some numbers
That's like saying your wife is sorta pregnant or you're sorta right and wrong with a twist of lemon in a bubble bath on Tuesday on the way to Mars.
Or something like that.
I just can't listen to the dude. He was once sane. Now? Not so much. Your last link proves that further.
Cool story bro.
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2013-03-22
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Originally Posted by nonikhanna
I suppose anything is possible but is it financically feasible?
Nokia can just use Sailfish OS if they want to get away from WP. I know it seems ironic. Jolla would probably welcome them into their "ecosystem" lol.
Or Nokia could merge their swipe patents with blackberry OS and build something great, and truly emerge as the third major ecosystem.
As I understand it Nokia has been getting "marketing allowance" from Microsoft, and in this deal they have sworn away the rights to develop / explore platforms other than WP.
Now, as all good thinks come to an end the MSFT money is going to be shut off, and the tide changes so that NOK needs now pay extra for the WP licenses it is purchasing.
However, the restrictions/agreements between NOK and MSFT remain, and Nokia cannot easily get out of the Microsoft train without paying a lot of money for contract seveance.
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2013-03-22
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Nokia signed a 5 year contract, 3 years are still remaining on it.
Or Nokia could merge their swipe patents with blackberry OS and build something great, and truly emerge as the third major ecosystem.
meh all theories. But as long as elop is in charge, I dont think he will look at anything else other than the big bucks from microsoft. I think his contract will be up over soon.....