Dave999 | # 621 | 2013-07-15, 18:31 | Report

The World is nuts. Time for you to learn that. I don't see so anyone complaining. In fact I think this thread finally has become valid and like reading the discussion. Since it's not clear what is what it's always nice to know, even if it nuts stuff. To me Qt4 or Qt5 doesn't matter. But I am a bit concerned about PyQt and Pyside.

qwazix | # 622 | 2013-07-15, 19:35 | Report

yeah so fedora 22 will be android...

https://ask.fedoraproject.org/questi...ch-to-wayland/

MartinK | # 623 | 2013-07-15, 19:50 | Report

Yeah, Fedora 19 is awfully stable, stuff like systemd, Anaconda UI rewrite & usr move, once heated topics, are now just normal working parts of the distribution. Time to do something about that.

Another things to watch for in the next few Fedoras - switch to Python 3 by default and possibly the yum->dnf switch. And now back to to topic.

marbleuser | # 624 | 2013-07-15, 20:35 | Report

dropping X means jolla has a large time horizon, far longer than 2 years. 2 years is a long time in the mobile world.

if they add support for xwayland, then all might be forgiven.

the fact that they're dropping X support so completely has me slightly curious. e.g. is it for 'commercial' reasons.

EDIT: NO X11=Android

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mrsellout | # 625 | 2013-07-15, 22:00 | Report

I assume it's time constraints; they want to ship in 5-6 months. The tweets didn't rule out xwayland in the future (highlighting the possibility of community contributions). If they meet their goals and get Sailfish PR1.0 in a decent enough condition quick enough, maybe they themselves could then move down the todo list and start on the extras like xwayland.

Personally I have no problem with them asking help from the community for things like this, it's worth remembering maemo/Meego/Jolla developers have historically been good Open Source citizens, providing huge contributions to Linux (whilst at Nokia, eg. [1][2]), and using Wayland is a major contribution in itself. So they should have no shame in asking for community contributions, they've made plenty back.

marbleuser | # 626 | 2013-07-15, 22:22 | Report

maybe that's my problem. i've been spoiled by the n900. but the lack of backward compatibility with 90% of existing linux applications (which otherwise could be made to run easily) isn't a step forward in my opinion, it's a step back from the n900.

i'm also quite annoyed by their twitter centric / word of mouth way of communicating things. i have to find things out from other people in forum posts.

A few days ago i told someone i was going to buy a jolla as soon as it came out. then i found out almost accidently it doesn't support X (and all that entails), so i've had to tell the person that's no longer the case. i'm going to have to wait a year to see how things pan out. my n900 has survived yet another attempt to find something better. even when that was being provided by the same people that gave me my n900.

jalyst | # 627 | 2013-07-16, 01:59 | Report

And pretty-much every other major DE/distro within the next 10mth according to his logic.

marbleuser | # 628 | 2013-07-16, 02:16 | Report

I don't know if you read all of that, as it clearly states they're keeping X11 for backward compatibility. They're not stupid. Just keep in mind the gnome fiasco (everybody including Linus himself just switched to XFCE/LXDE), linux people tend to vote with their feet. but you're welcome to whistle past the graveyard.

it's just an android capable phone for china consumers who want something different. incapable of running most existing gtk/qt/x11 apps except in some vnc type environment a la android.

i (honestly) wish them well, but i've no intention of being an early adopter on this one. i'll let people like you buy it first and do the lobbying/development and then see what it looks like in a year compared to whatever other phones are out then. you seem keen, so go for it!

jalyst | # 629 | 2013-07-16, 02:35 | Report

There you go shooting from the hip again, this is going to be a fun ride.
Anyway, can we please get this thread back to it's intended purpose.
Summarise your concerns/criticisms or ideas/qns, if you have ones that aren't already in the docs.
Editors will then put them in the docs & (ideally) clean-up the docs wherever there's fluff etc.
There are other general discussion threads...

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Lumiaman | # 630 | 2013-07-16, 02:41 | Report

Hmmmm...the biggest criticism of Jolla...GET OFF YOUR TWITTER AND START MARKETING BETTER:

http://www.google.com/trends/explore...%201020&cmpt=q