lokai | # 331 | 2015-01-31, 08:51 | Report

As long as Jolla does not offer to order single phone with reduced price for tablet-only backers this is what I propose to do.

So everybody who already backed a tablet and now wants also a Jolla phone just order the bundle and resend the tablet-only package (just deny when delivered).
So you will receive your money back. And have the tablet and phone to reduced price.

I really hope they read understand learn react.
But I really do not think so

rcolistete | # 332 | 2015-01-31, 09:39 | Report

Nope, read the 1st answer, which is best voted (with 141 votes) :

benny1967 | # 333 | 2015-01-31, 09:55 | Report

Will I be able to complain if my microSDXC-Card doesn't work in the Jolla tablet as advertised by the manufacturer of the card? In terms of speed and lifetime?

Cards come pre-formated in a way that best matches the physical layout of the card memory. If you either re-format (or worse: re-partition) the card, you need to know all the necessary parameters. Else the allocation blocks of the file system will cross the boundaries of the cards' physical blocks, resulting in lower speed and reduced lifetime because of unnecessary read-/write cycles. It's quite tricky to find out the physical parameters of a given card, much of this is guesswork.

Now if the tablet includes a one-size-fits-all unisex card formating tool, chances are that the card you bought because SanDisk claimed it'd reach 48MB/s is in fact much slower once re-formated to ext4 in the tablet. Where do you get support now? Jolla? SanDisk? The SD Association? Wo will make your card reach 48MB/s again? Who will take it back and return the money?

aegis | # 334 | 2015-01-31, 10:07 | Report

That is an answer but it is not what the poll asked. It doesn't propose another open source filesystem. It suggests excluding exFAT which @Stskeeps even said was not something the poll was about.

Here's what Jolla asked...

benny1967 | # 335 | 2015-01-31, 10:22 | Report

I agree 100%. That's why I changed over 10 years ago from Windows to GNU/Linux. That's why my music is stored as OGG Vorbis instead of MP3 or other MPEG formats, my chat accounts are XMPP rather than WhatsApp and stuff, my mail accounts use IMAP instead of MS Exchange and my office documents are OpenDocument instead of MS something.

This works perfectly as long as my social life is restricted to the bubble between the chair and the keyboard.

I do know people outside this bubble, though. The send me music files (MP3, AAC), Powerpoint presentations and want to contact me on the messaging network they use. I have to make choices between my nerdy moral standards and the real world. I chose I want to be at least able to listen to MP3, but never will encode audio to this format. I chose I want to be able to read files from MS Office applications, but will not save to this format. I chose I will not encourage the use of proprietary and closed chat services by taking part at all, nor will I use ActiveSync servers. It's my decision.

(On mobile devices including the Jolla phone, the situation is even more dramatic because of the industry standards around 3G and friends.)

What I do not understand when you, nthn, and others oppose the use of exFAT so radically:
Where's your crusade against MP3 support on the Jolla phone?
Where's your crusade against ActiveSync support on the Jolla phone?
Where's your crusade against patented and closed phone technology on the Jolla phone?
Where's your crusade against commercial video codecs on the Jolla phone?
Where's your crusade against facebook support support on the Jolla phone?
...?

With exFAT support, you could at least easily choose not to use it. The video recordings on your Jolla phone though are always saved as MP4, not as an open alternative. No choice here. I really wonder why I never heard such drama about these issues but everyone suddenly identifies exFAT as the only threat to freedom in the Sailfish ecosystem. That's hypocrisy.

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benny1967 | # 336 | 2015-01-31, 10:34 | Report

An official exFAT package by Jolla, supported by Jolla and available in the official Jolla store would be as good for me as pre-installed exFAT. No difference. (It'd be like a lot of the Jolla core apps today that aren't pre-installed.) You insert a µSDXC card and the system prompts you to either re-format it or install exFAT from the store. No problem as long as Jolla keeps its promise to support SD-cards above 32GB.

I'm not sure if MS licensing policies allow "exFAT on demand", though.

pichlo | # 337 | 2015-01-31, 10:36 | Report

Yes it is but at least an easily understandable one. All those things above are already on the damn phone! There is a - minute, I agree, but still - a difference between shouting, "do not add X!" and, "take X out!"

pichlo | # 338 | 2015-01-31, 10:41 | Report

Agreed. I would be just as happy if said "app" had a price tag attached. But that might upset Microsoft even more.

benny1967 | # 339 | 2015-01-31, 10:50 | Report

Yes, a paid app would be fine - as long as accessing the card doesn't tigger in-app-payment for each file ...

I'd even prefer a paid app over a free one because it would mean the store finally supports paid apps at all.

elastic | # 340 | 2015-01-31, 12:13 | Report

+1 - that would ne freedom of choise