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2015-10-22 , 21:48
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But no official support for it... I don't really want to give 525 EUR for a half baked product - Nexus 5 is half of that and also has a community port.
It's obviously not for you if price is your motivating factor.
 

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2015-10-22 , 22:16
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Originally Posted by Bundyo View Post
No.

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Can you be sure? Now Jolla is moving away from being a hardware company, maybe there'll be options for community port users to buy an alien dalvik license.
 

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2015-10-23 , 04:07
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Not sure of course. But my wild guess is that Alien Dalvik will be available to licensees, but not to community.

@aegis: The price is not my motivating factor, except for when I'm supposed to pay to use a community port.
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2015-10-23 , 06:12
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#64
I see no need for Alien Dalvik on the Fairphone/SFOS, if someone so desperately need android thingies, I suppose a dual-boot would suffice.
It should be doable since the device is also available as a CM-installed version.
 

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#65
I don't want dual boot in phones, it's PIA even on desktop. However, the way I read the statement, it indicates that community port is just the beginning and they are aiming to offer full Sailfish OS experience (emphasis added):

Initially, we are going to work with some key members of the Jolla community in order to get the porting and development activities started. With the support of both the Jolla and Fairphone engineering teams, we hope to get the Sailfish OS developer community quickly up and running and able to share the fruit of their work with the rest of the Fairphone community.
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The overall aim of our collaboration with Jolla is to be able to offer the full Sailfish OS experience directly to our customers. To do this, there first needs to be a basic stable version of the Sailfish OS running on the Fairphone 2, after which the integration of Jolla’s specific technology and services would need to be finalized. This will take time. How much time is still unclear at this point.

Until we release Sailfish OS as an officially available operating system for our Fairphone 2 hardware, our support team will not have the resources to offer support or troubleshooting of Sailfish OS for Fairphone 2 owners who use this community-developed version.

So, to me it looks like there is hope for official support and full featured Sailfish OS with Alien Dalvik on Fairphone. Looks like kind of trade where community gets things started with the porting and if the interest seems genuine, they will put their own resources in to finish the parts community is unable to do.
 

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2015-10-23 , 08:30
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I don't subscribe to this definition of 'full-featured Sailfish' that includes Alien Dalvik. It's not part of the OS, and this sort of press doesn't promise anything, just conveys intent. A lot of people who don't necessarily have our best interests at heart must be happy with whatever deal is done. I hope it gets in there, but I'd just be happy to see as many Sailfish devices out there as possible, with or without Android support.
 

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2015-10-23 , 08:58
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra View Post
I don't want dual boot in phones, it's PIA even on desktop. However, the way I read the statement, it indicates that community port is just the beginning and they are aiming to offer full Sailfish OS experience (emphasis added):

Initially, we are going to work with some key members of the Jolla community in order to get the porting and development activities started. With the support of both the Jolla and Fairphone engineering teams, we hope to get the Sailfish OS developer community quickly up and running and able to share the fruit of their work with the rest of the Fairphone community.
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The overall aim of our collaboration with Jolla is to be able to offer the full Sailfish OS experience directly to our customers. To do this, there first needs to be a basic stable version of the Sailfish OS running on the Fairphone 2, after which the integration of Jolla’s specific technology and services would need to be finalized. This will take time. How much time is still unclear at this point.

Until we release Sailfish OS as an officially available operating system for our Fairphone 2 hardware, our support team will not have the resources to offer support or troubleshooting of Sailfish OS for Fairphone 2 owners who use this community-developed version.

So, to me it looks like there is hope for official support and full featured Sailfish OS with Alien Dalvik on Fairphone. Looks like kind of trade where community gets things started with the porting and if the interest seems genuine, they will put their own resources in to finish the parts community is unable to do.

and please, let me add: let's show interest on Fairphone blog page, so we can speed up their project!
 

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2015-10-28 , 09:17
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Originally Posted by itdoesntmatt View Post
and please, let me add: let's show interest on Fairphone blog page, so we can speed up their project!
I just got past the hump with

BQs E5 Ubuntu edition

I think the guys at BQ have done an excellent piece of work,
but my new experience with Ubuntu has poisoned my brain today.

Is there any chance we could get something like a Maemo image on the Fairphone 2,
presuming of course there were enough old geezers left to port it ?

Specifically -
I am wondering how difficult it will be
to flush whatever is on the FP2 and replace with some sort of
Fremantle ?

Will it take a locksmith's tool truck, a computer running Windows XP
and inside knowledge of which bit-wise assembly language buffers to tickle
or
can we just plug in a two-way USB stick and renegotiate
the way it thinks from a hardwired reboot-reset combination?


After having looked at the Ubuntu I can see those guys will never ever
catch up to what the Maemo community did on its own.

Hell's Bell's,
Ubuntu doesn't even know what time of day it is.
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2015-10-28 , 09:35
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#69
why are you so critical about ubuntu? just curiosity, of course
 

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2015-10-28 , 14:46
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Originally Posted by billranton View Post
I don't subscribe to this definition of 'full-featured Sailfish' that includes Alien Dalvik. It's not part of the OS, and this sort of press doesn't promise anything, just conveys intent. A lot of people who don't necessarily have our best interests at heart must be happy with whatever deal is done. I hope it gets in there, but I'd just be happy to see as many Sailfish devices out there as possible, with or without Android support.
Whilst you're right, nothing is promised but I would say that the official definition of 'Full-Featured SailfishOS' would include Dalvik.

Originally Posted by https://sailfishos.org/
Android support
Sailfish OS can run Android™ applications. It is based on open source Android libraries, ensuring performance comparable to the native environment.
That's from the front page of SailfishOS.org, and its clear that one of the main marketable features of Sailfish OS is that is has Android App support. Sure we know better than that, and that this is a licenced feature from Myriad, but if you look at the marketing information, that is the definition I would expect.
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