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	vistaus	2015-10-26 , 18:37
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris

Could be that you're waiting for a 32GB?

Yes, I am.

	Dave999	2015-10-26 , 18:41
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Originally Posted by vistaus

Yes, I am.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1509

	Copernicus	2015-10-26 , 18:49
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Originally Posted by pichlo

But, Cop, your "new factory" posts are just as repetitive as ZogG's "everything is lost" ones.

Well, yeah.

I guess I'm just kinda grumpy lately. (Been waiting too long myself for a Sailfish device to appear here in the States. I guess I should really stop thinking about Sailfish and just go do something else for a while...)

Yet, your theory may stand simply because whatever teething problems they had with the factory during the phone production were less visible and all sorted out by the time they started taking preorders, unlike now.

^^This.

Yeah, I think the idea of Indiegogo-based advertising has backfired on them here. The campaign raised a whole lot of publicity for them, but it has also made plain that they were nowhere near as ready to ship the tablet as they thought they were, and yeah, that they are not nearly as adept at managing hardware production as they are at software.

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	vistaus	2015-10-26 , 18:53
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Originally Posted by Chuck Norris

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1509

Sucks that they didn't send me that e-mail, but thanks!

MartinK	2015-10-26 , 19:49
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Originally Posted by pichlo

Yet, your theory may stand simply because whatever teething problems they had with the factory during the phone production were less visible and all sorted out by the time they started taking preorders, unlike now. Maybe there even were fewer problems because Jolla was new and not quite so hemorrhaged of money 3 years ago with fresh investments as they are now.

I kinda have the feeling that the process for producing the tablet is quite different from the one used for producing the phone. They ship directly from their Honk Kong Based subsidiary, they seem to get a lot more low level, debugging hardware and supply problems, going quote publicly over more iterations, etc.

Maybe before they basically ordered the whole thing from an OEM and were not satisfied with it so they decided to handle bigger part of the manufacturing themselves ? Or the other way around ?

One has to take account that the Jolla Tablet is a crowdfunding campaign where you re expected to provide much bigger insights into product development and production than with a regular commercial product (Jolla Phone). That can definitely also influence the image one gets of the project.

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mikecomputing	2015-10-26 , 20:11
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Originally Posted by Copernicus

Basically, we should believe in this schedule because Jolla has finally experienced what it takes to manufacture and deliver tablets using their partner in China.

Sorry I do not believe they will ship as scheduled. I am a realist.

JulmaHerra	2015-10-26 , 20:25
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Originally Posted by ZogG

So every new device will have delay or they have contract for life for single factory?

Delays are always possible. It's not at all rare occurrence even from bigger players. They just don't do it so openly so they don't get that much c*** from it.

Another reason not to cherish openness...

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MartinK	2015-10-26 , 22:02
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Originally Posted by JulmaHerra

Delays are always possible. It's not at all rare occurrence even from bigger players. They just don't do it so openly so they don't get that much c*** from it.

Another reason not to cherish openness...

That might work for a normal commercial product - in such case you should generally only announce any dates only when you are really sure you can meet them. Or post factum: "Hey, we released X!"

On the other hand - we are talking crowdfunding. For crowdfunding such behavior wont do. Anything other than frequent updates and maximal openness won't do - especially when you hit any unexpected delays. Backers will generally be quite okay even with severe delays as long as you regularly keep them up to date. And you risk making them very angry if you keep them in the dark even for small delays.

As the Jolla Tablet crowdfunding campaign was half crowdfunding and half Sailfish OS/Jolla PR then I think they really really can't afford making their backers angry - so maximal openness and frequent updates are IMHO the only way to go now for the Jolla Tablet.

	Copernicus	2015-10-26 , 22:08
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Originally Posted by MartinK

As the Jolla Tablet crowdfunding campaign was half crowdfunding and half Sailfish OS/Jolla PR then I think they really really can't afford making their backers angry

Hmm. I don't really think Jolla has ever intended to base their company off the revenue from the Jolla Tablet (assuming there is any). So I figure it's closer to 100% Sailfish / Jolla PR. (Not that that's a bad thing, mind you.)