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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch
I think they tried other channels, but did not succeed. There were all these talks about the russian government, a few potential partnerships, that were announced at one time or another... they did not get concrete.
That's definitly true. But what I never understood, was that they never really tried to open other income channels. Why didn't they sell batteries or other TOH (not only different colors). Why didn't they try to sell some more powerful apps, fan-article... Of course nothing of these things would have been enough. But at least there would have been a little more income and they wouldn't have to rely solely on the investors.
Developing apps, other halves, batteries takes resources, and the current user base cannot provide a reasonable source of income, unless your userbase gets in the million users or so.
Take other halves: say they have a profit of 5 euro for each unit sold, if they sell 10k units, that's 50k euro of profit. That covers probably two days of expenses for a Finnish firm of 150 people.
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2015-12-10
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@ Finland
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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch
The issue might be that the production runs for those are so small that they would make losses on selling and stocking them. Just like with the tablets.
That's definitly true. But what I never understood, was that they never really tried to open other income channels. Why didn't they sell batteries or other TOH (not only different colors).
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by ste-phan
I am not entirely sure how are you defining a startup? To me a startup is a new company that does not yet have a marketable product that it can sell, but as potential in the eyes of some investors, hence gets funding.
At that point Jolla, IMO, by serving a contract outside of the mobile enthusiasts’ scope, has stopped being a startup and needed different kind of funding to match the chosen direction.
Originally Posted by ste-phan
As I see it both the Jolla pone and the Jolla tablet were meant as showcase devices for the OS and the technology, never meant as products to be sold for profit.
The (intel) tablet being a project with lower prestige level than releasing a Jolla II in all aspects superior to the original Jolla should not have made it to mass production unless there was real profit to be made.
There never was going to be any "Jolla phone II"
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
Yep, it's obvious that they completely misread the situation. The question is why the dident prepared for this to save its customers and with that the only one that is loyal to them. Now they only have a few fans left...given no tablet/compensation appears.
Simple. Jolla leaders were depending on receiving a round of funding in November. They essentially bet the entire company on it. If they had received it, the most logical thing to do would be to maximize the Tablet output, to get as many devices in the hands of users as possible, and encourage new apps to be written by developers. This would in turn provide more advertising for Sailfish, which would boost their ability to encourage manufacturers to become licensees.
But, of course, everything was dependent on getting that additional funding.
It was probably a decent bet for a startup to make. If that funding had come through, Jolla would have had one of the few alternative OSs this year that was still ascendent. That alone might have made manufacturers more interested in Sailfish...
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by Dave999
Er, in what way? Startups have to do this sort of thing to succeed; they have to bet that they will eventually be successful. If they went forward reasoning "hey, we're probably not going to receive the next round of funding, so we need to tighten our belts, minimize our workforce, and spend the least amount possible to keep running", they would flat-out fail.
Yep, it's obvious that they completely misread the situation.
What's the point of even starting a company if you are betting on failure?
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by Copernicus
They have to bet WHEN they have the money and they had the money but failed somewhere. Not sure where exactly. Unless they have don just that. Saved enough money to ship the product but I doubt that from the info we have.
Er, in what way? Startups have to do this sort of thing to succeed; they have to bet that they will eventually be successful. If they went forward reasoning "hey, we're probably not going to receive the next round of funding, so we need to tighten our belts, minimize our workforce, and spend the least amount possible to keep running", they would flat-out fail.
What's the point of even starting a company if you are betting on failure?
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2015-12-10
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Originally Posted by juiceme
Maybe you are right. I also consider the phone and the tablet as demonstrators.
As I see it both the Jolla pone and the Jolla tablet were meant as showcase devices for the OS and the technology, never meant as products to be sold for profit.
There never was going to be any "Jolla phone II"
However, these products were also sold to consumers like us and Jolla somehow also depend on positive user feedback that creates confidence with the commercial partners of Jolla. Therefore a more attractive product (e.g. Jolla phone 2) could have helped to create a more positive reception. So far, the prevailing reception was: it is not ready yet (promising, but not ready ..) and the hardware (of the phone) is so lala (but quite expensicve if only measured by the HW properties). The tablet had a fair price tag (for consumers) from the beginning but .. it is not there (for the most part of us).
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2015-12-10
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2015-12-10
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yes, using the devices as showcases makes definitely sense. On the other hand than i absoutely don't understand why the main investors exactly now draw back, when the first partnership with intex is announced and a second device is ready developed and just waiting for production and delivery. i think if the devices were just showcases they must have agreed on that.
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If you look in history, many projects were born as "something cool", innovating, interesting idea and to work on. But it was ruined and corrupted by management, run for money or outside people. (see google as an example)
the problem nowdays that it's hard to compete and to do it "right". But on other hand if no one will start, we'll always run in those circles
Btw I had good exp with Pebble, nVidia and I think few more. (I liked what Nokia did and certain people from there, while on other hand i hate how they ruined things on other hand)
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