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Android_808 | # 21 | 2018-11-09, 12:34 | Report

With regards to IRC, generally speaking, a lot of the talk has been development related, not necessarily relevant to the wider audience. As a result, I see no issue with it used for that purpose. Compared to tmo or discord, it is more technical. The other thing is that logs are available for those who want to catch up part way through a conversation, something you don't get with a WhatsApp group for example.

I know some projects, kernel for example, make much more use of mailing lists. The view by thread is handy for separating topics but trying to find everything using most of the web interfaces I've seen is a pain. Hard to explain but even the view by thread option usually has branches I suppose if you reply to a reply instead of the original message.

I do like the idea of Riot bridges between formats/ clients. Let people communicate how they feel comfortable whilst trying to remove fragmentation.

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gerbick | # 22 | 2018-11-09, 21:00 | Report

Originally Posted by pichlo View Post

I do not give a monkey's whether it is FOSS, MOSS or BOSS. Can they talk to each other? Can I use Dross or whatever the newest hit of the month is called and chat with my sister in Italy who uses Skype, my boss in the UK who uses Whatsapp and my colleague in the US who uses Slack? No? Then I am not interested. I already have three things to worry about. I do not need four.

Then what do you suggest folks should use? Please be specific.

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pichlo | # 23 | 2018-11-09, 21:14 | Report

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

Then what do you suggest folks should use? Please be specific.

Why? If I pick up a phone and call my sister in Italy, or even if I call my wife who is on a different mobile network than I, we use infrastructure from different companies. But we can still talk to each other.

I am bemoaning the lack of similar interoperation between different chat solutions. Skype cannot talk to Whatsit, Slack cannot talk to IRC... Why? I don't understand it. As far as I can see, they are all different implementations of the same thing. Like different phone networks.

I say, we do not need Yet Another One™. We need to push the existing ones towards more integration. Then it would not matter which one you choose.

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HtheB | # 24 | 2018-11-09, 22:36 | Report

Originally Posted by pichlo View Post

Why? If I pick up a phone and call my sister in Italy, or even if I call my wife who is on a different mobile network than I, we use infrastructure from different companies. But we can still talk to each other.

I am bemoaning the lack of similar interoperation between different chat solutions. Skype cannot talk to Whatsit, Slack cannot talk to IRC... Why? I don't understand it. As far as I can see, they are all different implementations of the same thing. Like different phone networks.

I say, we do not need Yet Another One™. We need to push the existing ones towards more integration. Then it would not matter which one you choose.

I don't internet at home (using my phone to tether) so I can't set up a server to bridge Discord and IRC. Can someone help us here?
At least the gap would be much less using a bridge

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gerbick | # 25 | 2018-11-09, 23:53 | Report

Originally Posted by pichlo View Post

Why? If I pick up a phone and call my sister in Italy, or even if I call my wife who is on a different mobile network than I, we use infrastructure from different companies. But we can still talk to each other.

I am bemoaning the lack of similar interoperation between different chat solutions. Skype cannot talk to Whatsit, Slack cannot talk to IRC... Why? I don't understand it. As far as I can see, they are all different implementations of the same thing. Like different phone networks.

I say, we do not need Yet Another One™. We need to push the existing ones towards more integration. Then it would not matter which one you choose.

So no real commitment to answering my question. Got it.

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endsormeans | # 26 | 2018-11-10, 00:47 | Report

Oh I think pichlo answered it...
The fact is some HAVE figured out a way, ie: matrix, to bring the disparate methods of comm together.
It is just that pichlo is expecting everyone to do just that, and that is just not about to happen, and until they all do, pichlo is bemoaning that fact (forget that there is solution ...bemoaning is fun)

So the bemoaning continues (a word used too little frankly...a general bemoaning thread should be created)

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gerbick | # 27 | 2018-11-10, 01:37 | Report

Originally Posted by endsormeans View Post

Oh I think pichlo answered it...

We're going to have to disagree here. I see a lot of protesting for protest sake and absolutely nothing really to add to something akin to a solution except a move towards more esoteric options that aren't exactly full featured but "work"...

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The fact is some HAVE figured out a way, ie: matrix, to bring the disparate methods of comm together.

I've attempted to use Matrix in the past. It failed to connect. Perhaps I was too early in its cycle. But I have no patience to wait on something to work given that a lot of these concepts have existed for decades.

Simply put, these things mentioned thus far are not up to snuff in my estimation.

Originally Posted by

It is just that pichlo is expecting everyone to do just that, and that is just not about to happen, and until they all do, pichlo is bemoaning that fact (forget that there is solution ...bemoaning is fun)

Bemoaning might be fun; bemoaning ad nauseum is just nauseating and produces absolutely nothing. Contrarian behavior for the sake being contrarian is just droll yet tedious.

Originally Posted by

So the bemoaning continues (a word used too little frankly...a general bemoaning thread should be created)

Have fun! (no sarcasm)

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pichlo | # 28 | 2018-11-10, 09:36 | Report

Originally Posted by gerbick View Post

So no real commitment to answering my question. Got it.

I do not know what more commitment you may possibly want. Or what your question really is. If you are asking, "which of the hundreds chat solutions is The One", then my answer would have to be, "none of them". I did not see your question as so narrow, though. I had you for more than that.

"Protesting for protest's sake?" Is it how you see it because you are genuinely happy with the current situation or because you have just accepted it as the norm and have not opened your eyes yet to see how bad it is?

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endsormeans | # 29 | 2018-11-10, 09:57 | Report

Your initial argument was sound pichlo,
You stated the various platforms you had to use and the waste of time dealing with it all.
Not once did I hear from you, perhaps there is /are now options to make the ordeal of comm easier, to congregate all or most of your disparate comm platforms under a single program,
Not once did you curiously inquire.
Even as to the state of functionality of any that there may be.
In short you apparently are happy to spend however much more time juggling the various comm platforms you are currently using.
Though I do not use as many as you, and so my time is not taken up like yours ..in the doing,
I was curious,
And it took a whole of 2 min searching to find (for the lack of a simpler term) meta comm platforms which I then listed.

When a dillema is presented, and multiple viable options as direct solution, are offered...
And still there is no interest to change or adopt an inclusive solution that could save you time daily...
Then yes. It can definitely be seen as protesting for protest sake.

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pichlo | # 30 | 2018-11-10, 10:02 | Report

You have a point, endso, and I apologise. I will shut up.

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