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Dave999 | # 421 | 2019-02-07, 08:15 | Report

Magnesium alloys have a hexagonal lattice structure.
It’s very strong and very fast. Magnesium is approximately 75% lighterthan steel. Will we also see a heavy steel version later on? That would be one unique device

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pichlo | # 422 | 2019-02-07, 10:18 | Report

Originally Posted by HtheB View Post

This phone is not made from metal. The case will be made from Magnesium alloy (!)

Eh? Is it because I am a Bloody Foreigner™ or does anyone else also see the two sentences as mutually contradicting?

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pichlo | # 423 | 2019-02-07, 10:21 | Report

Originally Posted by Kabouik View Post

I realized that the unlock with fingerprint feature is extremely useful. It actually made it painless to change the delay before lock from 5 minutes to 0 minutes, because I was not bothered to type the code all the time anymore.

That's the age-old conflict between convenience and security.
Leaving your house key under the plant pot next to the door is also convenient.

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SaiKo | # 424 | 2019-02-07, 10:30 | Report

Originally Posted by shaihkritzer View Post

would like to have 2 sim working without taking the microSD out.

Originally Posted by Macros View Post

Yes, the choice between dualsim and MicroSD bothers me too.

theres a trick: https://www.noreplied.com/how-to-ins...alaxy-s7-edge/

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Amboss | # 425 | 2019-02-07, 13:39 | Report

Originally Posted by pichlo View Post

That's the age-old conflict between convenience and security.
Leaving your house key under the plant pot next to the door is also convenient.

To be fair, when you leave your key near the lock and go away, it means you are not in control of the key anymore.
Don't tell me, you are putting your fingers away occasionally

(well maybe out of control, but that's still different).

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juiceme | # 426 | 2019-02-07, 13:43 | Report

Originally Posted by Amboss View Post

To be fair, when you leave your key near the lock and go away, it means you are not in control of the key anymore.
Don't tell me, you are putting your fingers away occasionally

(well maybe out of control, but that's still different).

People go around leaving fingerprints all over the place. Even on the phone itself; so when someone gets the phone they get your prints at the same time, uuups...

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Amboss | # 427 | 2019-02-07, 13:49 | Report

Originally Posted by Macros View Post

Of course its up to you to use it, but I see many problems with this unlock method.

Even here from a recording the password is guessed after about 10 attempts if users are not well educated about choosing a secure Password. Example here.
Given time you can try reasonable combinations by hand
Traces on screen give hints about the correct position.

It would be improved by a huge amount if you had to do 3 or 4 of such pictures.

Best would be if one could combine different unlock methods. E.g. do a picture-unlock and then (without feedback if you where correct) enter a Pin (number positions randomized).

This would combine the strengths of individual methods.

Actually the BBOS10 Version worked very good. The numbers popped up in random places and you didn't need to touch the particular number to move. You simply moved the whole number layer so that one occurrence of the chosen number would be in the chosen place of the picture. This adds up to have smears from any starting point in any direction.

The picture just helps remember the right position for the number. I don't know, if also moving the picture around would increase security.

Originally Posted by juiceme View Post

Your information is dated. I have double-tap-to-wake enabled on my XperiaX and I have never had any sleep problems with it.

Well I have some issues, that screen is waking up but showing nothing. Workaround is, to let it sleep again, put finger on aproximation sensor to wake it up. That seems to trigger some reinit.

More often I find the screen waking up but not responding to my fingers. Only way is to press power button to turn it (the screen) off an on again.

That being said, I still use it.

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British | # 428 | 2019-02-07, 14:30 | Report

Originally Posted by Amboss View Post

The numbers popped up in random places and you didn't need to touch the particular number to move. You simply moved the whole number layer so that one occurrence of the chosen number would be in the chosen place of the picture.

Not only that, as the numbers' matrix sometimes change the number of lines and columns.
One time they are tight (lots of lines and columns), and one time they are loose (less lines and columns with more space between them).

Of course it is still possible to do some social-engineering of sorts and guess the right number and position (for instance, you are more likely to unlock with the same hand, and thus you probably won't position your hand/thumb *above* the spot you're aiming at, which allows onlookers to remove an specific area for their analysis), but it will take quite a number of unlocks.
Now compare that with regular number- or shape-passwords: they only require one (1) good look to get compromised...

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Wasmachinemann-NL | # 429 | 2019-02-07, 16:09 | Report

Originally Posted by HtheB View Post

When I said 'seen the real deal', I didn't meant pictures.....

Plastic? Seriously?
No company uses plastic anymore for their high end phones.
It has no premium feeling.

This phone is not made from metal. The case will be made from Magnesium alloy (!)
Now that's quality right over there.

Cool, so my future phone will be made of the same material that's keeping my ThinkPad and Toughbook together.

Originally Posted by pichlo View Post

Eh? Is it because I am a Bloody Foreigner™ or does anyone else also see the two sentences as mutually contradicting?

Magnesium is a metal, so yes, HtheB is contradicting himself.

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Kabouik | # 430 | 2019-02-07, 16:37 | Report

Originally Posted by pichlo View Post

That's the age-old conflict between convenience and security.
Leaving your house key under the plant pot next to the door is also convenient.

But I usually don't leave my finger with my phone if I forget it in a bar, or in case of theft.

The lock codes are far from secure when used in public, people can guess pretty fast what is your code by sneaking over your shoulder in the subway, by roughly seeing the moves of your fingers even in front of you, using the reflection of the windows in the bus, or just follow the smudge on your screen if you are using a geometric pattern. To be fair, they probably don't care at all about the code and the data anyway, they just want the phone to sell it, but I still feel better if I know access to my data is not particularly easy.

Now, if someone threatens me and kindly asks me to unlock the phone for him/her with a knife on my belly, I'll happily unlock it with my fingerprint and even give away the code to unlock without fingerprints. Hopefully he/she will leave me with all my fingers. But if I lose my phone or just find a pickpocket, I don't think they would come back and track me down to get my thumbs, and I'll be glad that there is no smudge to follow on the screen or any code to spy before stealing the phone.

Originally Posted by juiceme View Post

People go around leaving fingerprints all over the place. Even on the phone itself; so when someone gets the phone they get your prints at the same time, uuups...

Has any pickpocket ever tried to unlock a phone with a fuzzy fingerprint left on a doorknob or on the screen? The guy achieving that would definitely deserve full access to my phone. I would be more concerned about what else that guy would be able to do with my fingerprints if he managed to make copies good enough to unlock the phone.

By the way Juiceme, which procedure did you use to enable double-tap-to-unlock on Sailfish X? I haven't read the corresponding thread on TJC in a long time but I thought enabling it still had some downsides. I am using an Xperia X Compact, I think some sensors are not enabled, maybe that would be an extra issue.

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