VaZso | # 2901 | 2019-11-24, 13:51 | Report

I am disagree.

However, we may see it once Pro1 has arrived.

Anyway, phone cameras are usually relatively bad. They are definitively improving and there are phones with very good camera, but they are rare.

Also, I have a digital camera back from 2003, it has around 3.5 megapixels of resolution and it is still better than a usual phone despite the lower resolution as it has good and large lens and build quality.

If I look at a usual phone's photo, I see the high resolution but low detail, which is not really good...

Shirabe | # 2902 | 2019-11-24, 14:05 | Report

I didn't say the Pro1's camera's on par, I'm saying that the other phones would be as bad in such poor conditions. And that basing any judgement on a picture from those conditions is stupid.
I don't really know how the Pro1's camera compares to other phones in photos made in proper conditions, all I know is that it's good enough for me.

nikos523 | # 2903 | 2019-11-24, 14:24 | Report

Phone cameras are focusing mostly in low light photography the last 3-4 years or so.
Let's say that we focus on the S series from s7 to s10.
Ofcourse the evolution is amazing in every way, but if you compare low light photography specifically, the difference is just huge.
That's because there is no excuse anymore for crappy quality in low light, when everyone is asking at least 750 euros for a flagship.
Anyway, we are getting way off the subject.
The pro1's camera is good enough for you, and probably for the most people here that usually use outdated devices. That's all that matters in my book.
As long as it "checks" all the rest in your (or anyone's) list, who cares?
Does that make it a decent (2020 flagship) camera phone? No.
Does that matter to almost any buyer from this target group? No.


That depends.
What "usual phone" is to you? Are you comparing it with a XA2 for example or with a pixel 3?
Because you can say that both are "relatively" modern and both have 1 main camera, but the difference between them is immeasurable.

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VaZso | # 2904 | 2019-11-24, 15:32 | Report

Not comparing but experiencing of what I saw of some people around me.
...and as I said, "they are definitively improving" - but still not comparable with a good dedicated camera of similar resolution.

Also there are several phones which do some post processing - the image looks like if it were applied some blur then sharpening effect. It is suitable for eliminating some noise but it is definitively results in loosing details while I have not seen the same effect on dedicated cameras.

mosen | # 2905 | 2019-11-24, 15:36 | Report

Made a short video of a 1 minute typing test because Jan asked on twitter.
The website i found most suitable for the test is typing-speed.net if you want to compare with your laptop
They do not throw special characters at you tho, just a casual lowercase parcours.
Screen brightness is set to low so the puny sailfish camera can pick up the kbd better.
I guess most of you will type faster than me, but here is what i got:

https://twitter.com/eLtMosen/status/1198618481186496512

catbus | # 2906 | 2019-11-24, 20:18 | Report

Fast thumbs have You...

taixzo | # 2907 | 2019-11-24, 22:39 | Report

I suspect this is an issue with SFOS itself; I have the same issue with the Xperia X.

juiceme | # 2908 | 2019-11-25, 12:25 | Report

It's all done with postprocessing, my friend.

Everything those devices achieve is just smoke and mirrors; the sensors and optics are just as pitiful in all mobile devices, the final results are all achieved with heavy correction.

juiceme | # 2909 | 2019-11-25, 12:50 | Report

A bit more "fun facts" about modern cameraphones;

The topline devices use multiple cameras and esoteric things like sensor bias sweep to get most out of the poor sensor chips. I have not checked it but I kind of suspect you won't even get a real raw photo out of those; how could you when the image is composed on-the-fly out from data gathered over multiple sensors with a time integral (meaning, a single "shot" is always a processed composite of short sequences)

nikos523 | # 2910 | 2019-11-25, 13:34 | Report

Exactly. That's what you are paying for today, software.
If someone wants raw specs and 0 software optimization (that ultimately leads to horrible user experience), can buy top of the line specs with a 250€ Chinese smartphone.
I don't understand why software optimization (post-processing in this case) is considered bad or something. It's actually amazing.
The pixel 2 and 3 had such amazing results with mediocre hardware and superb software optimization.
Even the last layer of the camera, the apk itself has a ton of optimization and that's why millions of people try to install a port of the Google camera.