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2008-03-25 , 20:13
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There was an official announcement from Nokia stating exactly that. Unfortunately, Google is failing at turning it up...
Well, it doesn't say it on the product page, it doesn't say it on the N-Series page, it doesn't say it if I choose to buy it off the nokia page, and it doesn't say it in my local PCWorld.
If this is what nokia mean, they should make it very clear to consumers at the point people buy it, and in the information they supply.
It doesn't even say on the box or manual of my 770.

Having an official announcment from nokia that even a nokia employee cant find isn't exactly telling the consumer it is not designed for them.

If this is what they mean then it is at best underhand and at worst dishonest if they don't mention it may not be ready for general use.
 

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I understand. I disagree with the strength of your assessment, but can sympathize with why you feel that way. That's as far as I can go with that.

But some would say the tablets are ready for "general use", since that is a very broad term. The arguments tend to wrap around individual expectations and the definition of words like "polish".
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I understand. I disagree with the strength of your assessment, but can sympathize with why you feel that way. That's as far as I can go with that.

But some would say the tablets are ready for "general use", since that is a very broad term. The arguments tend to wrap around individual expectations and the definition of words like "polish".
As in: "This polish tablet won't do a thing I want it to!"
Ethnic slurs aside, I see the 770 as having been a hacker's device; I might even have found it pretty frustrating at times if I'd gotten one back when they came out.

The N8x0 is a general geek gadget, but it's now seeming to depend more on software than hardware with the near-twin N800 and N810. (The hardsware improvements are of uniform appeal; perhaps the disadvantages are somewhat more hacker-significant)

However, they're still accessible to hackers; another generation or so of this expansion will wind up with something no more annoying to geeks and hackers than Ubuntu (which is bad enough!) but having Aunt Tillie appeal.

And with any luck (hint, hint) Nokia will toss us a bone by taking care of some stray closed-source bits by either open-sourcing them, specifying the interfaces used, or at least providing open-source CLI tools for those interfaces. That should help compensate for whatever Ubuntification takes place.
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
I understand. I disagree with the strength of your assessment, but can sympathize with why you feel that way. That's as far as I can go with that.

But some would say the tablets are ready for "general use", since that is a very broad term. The arguments tend to wrap around individual expectations and the definition of words like "polish".
I didn't mean general use, I meant use as consumer devices.

Really I think it is Nokias positioning of these devices that is the problem, rather than the devices themselves. I personally wouldn't have stuck the 'N' on the front, because there really isn't much of a similarity between my N73 and my N770, even though the name would suggest there was.
 
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I personally wouldn't have stuck the 'N' on the front, because there really isn't much of a similarity between my N73 and my N770, even though the name would suggest there was.
Small problem there: the first Internet Tablet part of the N-series line was the N800, followed at the end of last year by the N810.

The 770 wasn't part of the N-series ;-)
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Small problem there: the first Internet Tablet part of the N-series line was the N800, followed at the end of last year by the N810.

The 770 wasn't part of the N-series ;-)
True, but moot. Even the Nokia gnomes admitted that the N800 was the successor of the 770.

But I agree with Tabletrat that putting the Nokia "N" in front of the 800 was wishful thinking at best. I don't own any Nokia N-series phones, but reading from the specs and reviews the N8X0 are indeed the ugly ducklings in that series.
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Small problem there: the first Internet Tablet part of the N-series line was the N800, followed at the end of last year by the N810.

The 770 wasn't part of the N-series ;-)
So the 800 isn't related to the 770 then?
ok, my mistake. So you think that the N800 is equivalent to, say, the N95?
I guess they both have skype, wireless and GPS.
 
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The N800 IS the successor of the 770, but IS also an N-series device while the 770 was and is not.
The N800 improved over the 770 to the point (in nokia's mind) that it deserved the N label.

But I think they flagged it as an N device to attract more people and give the IT series a significant boost.
The N810 is, to me, a better N-series device.

Pretty much the same as the N95 that is now followed by the N96.
What changes is the look. Much more attractive to the people.

Keep in mind that the Nokia 6120 Classic is, aestetically, a small piece of "****"
People did not even look at is, until someone got it and discovered there was a small
beast underneath that look.

But I am digressing even though the look is rather important for the success of a device.
 
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My point is that the N800 - especially now with OS2008 - is a much more polished device than the 770 ever was.

There's still a long way to go before it's a consumer device like an iPod though (yay, let's bring in iPod/NIT comparisons ;-)) - and Nokia have admitted that in interviews etc. However, they still market it as a consumer device, and don't give any warnings on nokia.com, nseries.com or POS displays that the device may not be for everyone (yet).

Having said that, I'm amazed at the number of people who can seemingly operate a computer running an OS like XP or Vista; so maybe it's the perception of usability rather actual usability and polish.
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So the 800 isn't related to the 770 then?
ok, my mistake. So you think that the N800 is equivalent to, say, the N95?
I guess they both have skype, wireless and GPS.
I get the feeling you're being sarcastic, but there's actually some sober reality in your comments.

The "N" denotes a multimedia computer. Yes, it's a strange choice and yes an N95 and N800 appear to be vastly different devices in many ways, but they share that "mobile multimedia computer" experience. Hence the category rationale.

I'm oversimplifying, but we're not talking engineering here, we're talking marketing. I have to stop there with my personal take on things... but read some Dilbert comic strips and maybe you'll get what I'm alluding to...
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