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Gigaboom is offline Gigaboom
2008-04-07 , 17:51
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Originally Posted by sachin007 View Post
I am assuming you are from america. That may be true in america because of the crappy phones which the carriers provide with a "Discount". But in europe and asia people buy brand new unlocked phones which are a little pricey compared to the $400. So yeah if you go above the 400$ lesser number of people will be interested but you just cannot say that people will lose interest.
It's true enough- very few people here in the US have any idea what their phones cost (I'm an exception- after going for something like 15 years without losing one, I lost two cell phones in one week last summer motorcycling, and was faced with outrageous MSRP quotes for replacement). It's very much the same reason they have no idea what Windows costs, or whether it's difficult to install- both issues are artfully hidden from the consumers.

Another thing to remember is the size. That is the sweet spot irrespective of cost for mobile devices
I'm not certain what you mean. MOST consumers will look at a device with an undersized screen and tiny thumb-keyboard and consider it to be worth less, for their purposes, than a small notebook computer. I understand the huge difference between a device that's with you only when you KNOW you'll need it, and one that can effortlessly be with you even if you DON'T know that... but to be fair, there's still considerable sacrifice associated with the smaller size as well.

"Palmtops" have just never really caught on. People understand phones and notebooks, but most don't see a personal need for a pocket computer. I'm speaking as someone who does; I've owned an Apple Newton and four Palms, but I also know that we're a small minority.

I may be wrong, but I'm so far unconvinced.... I think Nokia, if they choose to explore that option, will find a great deal of market resistance not far above $400... this year. Next year that ceiling may well be lower.
 
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2008-04-07 , 17:56
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IMO N810 WE isn't 4 of 5. They would be suicidal to declare that. Because it would mean that first Nokia device on OMAP3 is 5 of 5. And first generation devices are very rough things. They will release "N900" as bait to generate feedback, polish elements and in 18 months there will be 5 of 5.
 
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2008-04-07 , 18:00
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Gigaboom, I believe your points were valid even a few years ago... but I also believe that perception is changing. The iPhone has actually done a lot to open consumers' eyes to what can be done on a tablet form factor. The challenge to the internet tablets is to do it better... and get the word out.

Anyway, there's room for price overlap between high end tablets and low end laptops. How MUCH room remains to be seen.
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2008-04-07 , 18:32
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Originally Posted by Gigaboom View Post
It's true enough- very few people here in the US have any idea what their phones cost. It's very much the same reason they have no idea what Windows costs, or whether it's difficult to install- both issues are artfully hidden from the consumers.
That isn't actually a US only thing. In the UK, everyone knows how much a phone costs, it costs nothing. The only thing that varies is that you have to pay different amounts for a contract. If you don't get a new phone, the contract gets cheaper.
Mine was unusual in that I paid for one as I didn't want to go to an 18 month contract.

Originally Posted by Gigaboom View Post
I may be wrong, but I'm so far unconvinced.... I think Nokia, if they choose to explore that option, will find a great deal of market resistance not far above $400... this year. Next year that ceiling may well be lower.
Pretty much agreed here. Anything over that price is a luxury item, or to close to a laptop price.
They can't make enough eee's here to keep up with demand, but that is the price. Put it up another $100 and it wouldn't have sold hardly anything.

I have been looking for a N800 as they are much cheaper now, but they are still a bit much new.
 
sjgadsby is offline sjgadsby
2008-04-07 , 18:33
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Anyway, there's room for price overlap between high end tablets and low end laptops.
Heh. A little more than a year ago, I paid $370 for my N800. A few months later, I paid $300 each for two 15-inch notebook computers from Dell.

My N800 is still my main computer, but someday, when I have some time, I'll get my notebook out and install scratchbox. In the meantime, I boggle at how often "it's a cheap notebook" is used when speaking of the Eee PC.
 
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2008-04-07 , 18:35
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Well, sorta. Step 5 is also a generational upgrade (i.e. 770 -> N800), so, particularly with OMAP3, there are going to be a lot of very significant improvements with the hardware to go along with the software.

Quibbling over what you "think" does and does not qualify as a step is rather pointless. Nokia has definitely confirmed that the N810 was step 3, and, aside from the fact that arguing that something Nokia releases isn't actually part of their plan is, well, pointless, others here have basically confirmed that the N810W is step 4.
So one thing I am not getting here. Step 5 comes along and it is just a new processor (your omap thing). Although presumably more than just that as the general public really wont care about that (unless it gives huge battery life) but anyway, it comes out and it is fantastic.

So then what? Nokia says 'We are at step 5, so we are done'? They give up on ITs as they have got to step 5 and there isn't room for step 6?
 
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2008-04-07 , 18:38
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So then what? Nokia says 'We are at step 5, so we are done'? They give up on ITs as they have got to step 5 and there isn't room for step 6?
The five steps are from geek toy to general consumer device. There will be room for improvement beyond step 5.
 

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2008-04-07 , 18:55
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My hope is that they nudge up the screen size to 4.3" in the same overall form factor rather than upping the resolution....

Well, that, and a truckload of commercial-quality software magically appears.
 
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2008-04-07 , 19:01
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[QUOTE=jzencovich;166016]

What happens after step 5 of 5?

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I'm betting on Step 6 of 5!
 
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2008-04-07 , 19:11
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7 of Nine!
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