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	igor	2008-06-21 , 20:38
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Originally Posted by lardman

Cool , thanks for that Igor, can we know more? I'd be interested to know how to use it, or why it's not used, etc.

How to use it is something that few really know. Mostly those working for companies blessed by TI.

Even debugging is not so simple, considering that there is 1 JTAG for MPU, DSP & IVA (in this sense OMAP3 is simpler) and keeping the JTAG active prevents power management. The TRM itself is of not so much help, since it mostly describes the architecture and registers of the IVA block, but one needs the specific programming manual + application notes in order to really do something, just like with the MPU and the DSP.
Then comes the fact that the DSP gateway is far simpler than a bridge and less suited for being generally used.

A certain person (i won't name) otherwise unrelated to gw/bridge, did propose some time ago to extend the GW, but never managed to produce anything usable/useful.

I consider your chances to get any info about the IVA quite slim, since TI opennes is all focused on omap3, but afaik there is no mention of the past crimes.

Maybe Quim can help there. But even with all the info needed, i think it's still not going to be a walk in the park - the DSP is comparably simpler to manage.

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	igor	2008-06-21 , 20:51
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

Also, Igor could have tried to ask his questions on the Pandora developers forum, where he might have received an almost immediate answer (I understand it's pretty basic stuff for a developer, which I am not!). Of course, he might have done that, it's pretty hard to tell with people using different aliases for different forums, in which case: good on him. Or her. Whatever.

No, I didn't, as I am already following this forum in my (very scarce) spare time and have none left to join another one. I'll make sure we get 1 or 2 pandoras to play with when testing patches once they are out and available, but for the moment this is it.

I was simply expecting that you were better informed about the object of such devotion that you have manifested in several occasions. Apparently I was wrong.

To conclude, it's "him", neither "her" nor "whatever" and I'm not using any alias, just my first name, i don't have enough imagination to concote anything cool/funny/enticing.

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	igor	2008-06-21 , 21:03
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Originally Posted by igor

It's some specialized HW plus an ARM9 core.

I was wrong, sorry, it's an ARM7TDMIE.

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	qwerty12	2008-06-21 , 21:04
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Originally Posted by igor

I was simply expecting that you were better informed about the object of such devotion that you have manifested in several occasions. Apparently I was wrong.

I had to...:

http://Karel.Jansens.justgotowned.com

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	Karel Jansens	2008-06-21 , 21:20
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Originally Posted by igor

No, I didn't, as I am already following this forum in my (very scarce) spare time and have none left to join another one. I'll make sure we get 1 or 2 pandoras to play with when testing patches once they are out and available, but for the moment this is it.

I was simply expecting that you were better informed about the object of such devotion that you have manifested in several occasions. Apparently I was wrong.

To conclude, it's "him", neither "her" nor "whatever" and I'm not using any alias, just my first name, i don't have enough imagination to concote anything cool/funny/enticing.

I said (and on multiple occasions, even on this forum, which you apparently don't read at all either) that I'm not a developer. You asked developer questions. I did not answer them. Is it really that difficult?

And yes, I do admire the Pandora initiative. Not so much even the device itself (which any large corporation with access to cutting-edge hardware could copy), but the design process and the respect for the community.

BTW, if you really want a couple of Pandoras to play with, you'd better sign up on the mailing list, because the initial production run is limited to 3,000 units.

Now that's information you could have got from the user forum; it's also information a non-developer like myself knows about. And you didn't even have to ask to get me to concoct the answer...

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	Karel Jansens	2008-06-21 , 21:21
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Originally Posted by qwerty12

I had to...:

http://Karel.Jansens.justgotowned.com

Really?...

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	igor	2008-06-21 , 21:39
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

You asked developer questions.

:-S You have a quite broad definition of developer questions. They were mostly about architecture and community interaction, but nevermind.

Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

but the design process and the respect for the community.

Well, new players _have_ to come up with disrupting approaches. OTOH do you really expect Nokia to come and ask how would you like the mechanics of the next device? It _is_ done, but with studies of market segments. You are not expected to match the prototype user, of course.

Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

BTW, if you really want a couple of Pandoras to play with, you'd better sign up on the mailing list, because the initial production run is limited to 3,000 units.

From what i've seen so far, the initial version will not run linux-omap, hence it is of no interest to us, because that's the target tree.

Pandora, like the Beagle, becomes interesting when the linux-omap community have the real thing running on it, no TI forks.

So far the only really supported board is the TI SDP.
The beagle is receiving support from developers and patches are coming, but not Pandora.

So till then, no need to deprive community developers of prototypes.

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sic0048	2008-06-22 , 00:20
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Here is my 2cents. A docking station that would connect at least power without any user actions - meaning the person would not have to plug the cord in the unit to charge. The Nokia would get power via contacts built into the docking station. It would be even nice to see the USB port be contact based too, but I'd be happy with just power.

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	sachin007	2008-06-22 , 01:04
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Originally Posted by sic0048

Here is my 2cents. A docking station that would connect at least power without any user actions - meaning the person would not have to plug the cord in the unit to charge. The Nokia would get power via contacts built into the docking station. It would be even nice to see the USB port be contact based too, but I'd be happy with just power.

Very easy just leave the nokia charger in the socket at all times and just plug the other end whenever u want. How is that different from a dock..... other than it the dock being more bulky and heavy?

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sic0048	2008-06-22 , 14:19
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Originally Posted by sachin007

Very easy just leave the nokia charger in the socket at all times and just plug the other end whenever u want. How is that different from a dock..... other than it the dock being more bulky and heavy?

First, I only have a N800 and N770, so if this is different already on the N810 I didn't realize it.

But I do not want to have to manually connect the power cord to the device. I want to be able to simply place the unit in the docking station and have the connections made for me. I use the tablet as a wireless touchscreen for my home automation software and I would like users to be able to pick the unit up, pick songs, movies, turn lights on/off, etc, and then put the unit back down in the dock. I don't want to have to rely on them to plug the unit back in.

I'm not saying this docking station needs to be part of the original package. It could be an optional purchase. But it needs to be part of the original design so that someone can make a dock. The current power connections are just too small to use (you cannot make a dock that will reliably plug in such a small power connector).