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2008-07-17 , 21:39
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#31
Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
Note, rootsh is in Extras, and should be favored over becomeroot and easyroot in the future.



Crashed your tablet? Does that mean hildon-desktop crashed, or the whole tablet crashed? Either way, I've never experience anything like that with FBReader



Yes, this is incredibly stupid of them. I don't know how it's working for some people and not for others. . . .



Well, locking is no more or less power efficient than soft poweroff. The only way it could be if by choosing to enable offline mode when you enter soft poweroff, but that's a new OS2008 feature.



Application manager has improved by leaps and bounds in Diablo, not sure how you'd miss that one.



"Stalled"? How do you expect it to figure out which repositories are ******ed and which aren't, anyway? Magic?

You should really only be installing one or two repos, and that's Extras and Extras-devel (well, and FBReader, I guess, but hopefully that wont be necessary for too much longer now).



MPlayer isn't stuttering anymore, that certainly seems like a speed enhancement to me. . . . Not sure how you could not notice a 70MHz speed bump.
You're a bit late on just about everything.

FBreader did what I wrote: I opened preferences, wanted to adjust the keys behaviour and, before I could do anything, my tablet rebooted. Fortunately, this seems to have been a one time thing (at least, I sincerely hope so).

Application Mangler stalled twice (meaning that it did not respond to any user interaction anymore and I had to kill it from the desktop menu). This was before I had added any repository myself (repositories were added by the Meamo One Click Install). I maintain that it hasn't improved and I'm waiting for someone to kick some sense into a Nokia head and have them drop this abomination in favour of something that works. I mean, have they even ever heard of Synaptic?

I mentioned mplayer's improved behaviour as A Good Thing <TM>.
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2008-07-17 , 21:55
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#32
Have you tried synaptic on this size screen, by any chance? It's in Debian, and hence handily tryable from qole's chroot stuff, if you've a mind to. Trying it once makes it plain why they didn't use it.
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2008-07-17 , 21:58
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#33
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
You're a bit late on just about everything.
Yes, well, feel free to ignore me. . . .

Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
I maintain that it hasn't improved and I'm waiting for someone to kick some sense into a Nokia head and have them drop this abomination in favour of something that works.
Maintain whatever you want, but the facts say it has (if, perhaps, not in all the areas you want it to).

Application manager is perfectly open, and Marius is very interested in getting a community branch put together in svn for testing experimental features. There's certainly no resistance from Nokia on making improvements happen (my various reports on the subject have been received very enthusiastically). There's really a lot the community is enabled to do to help out here, somebody just has to step up and get involved.
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2008-07-18 , 07:54
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
Yeah, as if that counts.
Of course it counts - we're supposed to be rock stars, remember ? ;-)
 
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2008-07-18 , 19:29
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#35
<re: maybe some that constant calculating of time/fuel ratio is helping waste wattage>

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Not appreciably. The computations there are negligible. I've got 6 hours uptime, and the bme has taken a total of 5.11 seconds of computation.
That looks negligible indeed, but despite the kernel being tickless (IIRC ARM got it earlier than other kernel trees) there might be other processes that get waken up, but that's just an uneducated guess. The real world effect might then also depend on the frequency of those calculations. I think I read in some powertop discussion that regular very brief daemon awakenings could have a noticeable effect on battery life and thought I'd drag that in as a point in favour of the percentage gauge.

<re: fix to the one-step softpoweroff/offline question>

It's not that bad, I don't think. Edit your (presumably stock) /etc/mce/mce.ini ....
Most folks here at the ITT forum are able to follow your advice (thanks, btw!), but the default behaviour is still a chore, and the modified behaviour still a compromise. I'd expect only a small percentage of N8x owners to figure out how to customize their tablet beyond the prepackaged options.

Having Offline + Sleep + Keys/screen off (instantly) option in the original menu (as in "I'm done until the next time"), and slightly larger buttons to prevent accidental keypad locking, would help me avoid the frequent button->screen selection->button->screen selection rhumba.
 
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2008-07-18 , 20:07
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#36
Default behavior permits only power->select to lock ts&k, then power->select to unlock; anyone who makes the tweak systemui.xml to add the softpoweroff option in the first place, can surely swing mce.ini, too.

I'm really not sure what the softpoweroff deal is: if that is going to become official, or if it'll forever be an unsupported hack. They have added functionality to it, so I'd guess it's heading that way...
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#37
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I'm really not sure what the softpoweroff deal is: if that is going to become official, or if it'll forever be an unsupported hack. They have added functionality to it, so I'd guess it's heading that way...
To that end, I've filed bug #3642. See its dependencies for more info.
 

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2008-07-19 , 10:03
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#38
After a week of usage I noticed these changes on Diablo over Chinook:

- Touch screen management: no more phantom presses.
- Microb: No more misplaced pop-up box (example: search box of ITT forum) that before were incorrectly displayed under the bottom line of the browser window so you had to scroll down to reach and use it. Though it is now correctly displayed, pop-up search box on ITT is not usable with on-screen keyboard because the box disappears when you try to type something in it.

I noticed also some hangs while loading web pages, not sure if it is a connection issue, however when it happens all the system seems slowed down.
 
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could be that the page your accessing have some ajaxy "goodness" thrown in seem up to date...
 
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2008-07-19 , 11:44
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
I'm probably the last person in the universe to install Diablo on his N800
I didn't install it yet.
I don't know WHY i should do it, my OS2008 works well for me and i do not want spend my time for reinstalling all my apps.

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