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	allnameswereout	2008-10-22 , 23:17
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Originally Posted by deeteroderdas

I'll give it a shot.

"Religion" in the strictest sense of the word is adhering (or attempting to adhere) to a set of guidelines, rules, commandments to please a deity well enough that the deity rewards you in some way.

Good point.

BTW, I used to believe that atheism was a religion, but I've since decided to redefine it (if only in my mind) as a "belief system". To be absolutely certain that there is no God, one would have to be all-knowing, and all-present.

There is a difference between a strong atheist and a weak atheist.

Just like there are die-hard <fill in followers or a (sub-)religion> (e.g. Baptists).

In short, a god himself.

You assume there is a god.

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	allnameswereout	2008-10-22 , 23:27
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Originally Posted by Peet

The original form of Taoism is also quite interesting, but unfortunately it has been reduced to being organized superstition revolving around animism and ancestor-worshipping.

Yes, that happened with more cultures and religions. The Celtic Druids for example, or the original religions of Italy and Greece. Norway. The witches in Europe. All destroyed. Sometimes killed literally in the name of God, sometimes by converting & missionaries. And that is what it in the end boils down to: who owns the biggest piece of the pie.

Still, intolerant atheism as part of State Religion -- such as operated by the Chinese Communist system (especially in neighbouring countries under Chinese rule), or previously used by the Third reich and the Soviets -- is worse than the most intolerant of religions since State Atheism tends to forego the basic moral justice at the foundation of any theistic religion...

You should look up the military inteventations of the USA past WWII. Both military and covert ops (e.g. CIA). Then study the effects of that, and then tell me the USA hasn't acted like a bully who owns the world. If you look at these effects, many people have died due to this. Not only Salvador Allende, but all the results of him taken out of power -- to name an example.

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	Karel Jansens	2008-10-22 , 23:27
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Originally Posted by allnameswereout

You assume there is a god.

Well, he'd know if he were one...

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	allnameswereout	2008-10-22 , 23:33
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

Christian extremists are trying to bring back the Dark Ages.
Muslim extremists are trying to get into the twenty first century.

Christian extremists are frowned upon by mainstream Christians.
Muslim extremists are culled by mainstream muslims.

Yes, ok, so equal problem.

[...]

The only good muslim is an ex-muslim.

Great logic. You forgot Christianity and started to uncapitalize Muslim *claps*.

Suggestion: Stick in Belgium. You belong there, between the other intollerant Filip De Winter groupies.

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	allnameswereout	2008-10-22 , 23:36
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Originally Posted by tso

as a outsider i have gotten the impression that the so-called "bible belt" has a lot to say about the outcome of presidential elections.

and it seems the while most of europe have a continual struggle to get religion out of government, usa have one to keep religion out.

btw, i also heard that the least wanted us president would be one who was a declared atheist. even a radical muslim would be more accepted...

Yeah, that whole nation is based upon fata morganas. Like the economy

no fear, god is going to wipe that 15 zero long national debt!

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	allnameswereout	2008-10-22 , 23:37
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens

Well, he'd know if he were one...

Oh, really? According to certain New Age theories we all are Gods. Why then, other people don't realize this?

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	qole	2008-10-23 , 00:10
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Originally Posted by callanish

I'm a big believer in advanced life genetically engineered interventionism. a.k.a E.T's having a hand with mankind's missing link, so put me in the agnostic category, but with an educated pretty good hunch.

And where did the ETs come from? And don't say, "a previous ET civilization"...

Originally Posted by pycage

Oh, he's cheating to create the illusion of omnipotence. Not bad. Really clever.

By definition, the being who makes the rules never cheats.

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Thesandlord	2008-10-23 , 00:45
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Look, all religions are the same under the mask. There is a reason there are more and more atheists now than ever. Let me explain...

Religion is simply a institutionalized morality. It is basically a bunch of people or a single person (Christ, Buddha, Muhammad, etc..) who make some rules that they believe will create the most social harmony. And what a shocker, the core rules are almost ALWAYS the same. Lets see, no killing, stealing, disrespect, be nice, etc.... The differences come in the superficial aspects (the mask), such as "no abortion or gays" or "women must cover their faces." Yes, these are important to their SPECIFIC social order, but taken out of context they make no sense. The core values are all that are important.

So, how does this make more atheists today? Well, in a country diverse as the USA, and in the Bay Area of San Fransisco, so many religions clash, that none is seen as an authority. Instead, we get our "Moral Order" from the government and ourselves, aka atheist. Of course, some of us want more guidance in our lives, so we turn to religion. Simple as that.

If anyone tells you a religion is better than another, and you should switch, ask yourself why. What better guidance can the alternative religion offer. If it is some ******** answer, then the person is simply trying to gain power.

(A example of a ******** answer is the Flying Spaghetti Monster example given previously. The "converter" said that it was impossible for the FSM to exist because it was invisible and stuff. He failed to see the irony of the Monster, which is you don't have to see to believe. Its simply a moral set, not some holy man or something...)

If any one the Founders of different religions were here today, I bet they would be SICK to the core to see us "killing in the name of."

geneven	2008-10-23 , 01:18
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I might call myself a religious atheist. That is, I think that there are many positive aspects of religion. I just think their main premise is wrong.

Someone said that in order to be a true atheist, you would have to be omnipotent. True, the same goes for you who don't believe in Santa. Have you checked everywhere to see whether Santa was there? No, you haven't.

If the above reasoning is correct about Santa, I am an agnostic about Santa and about God.

If the reasoning cited is a crock, which I believe it is, then I am an atheist.

By the way, here is another position to take, that of an "ignostic". An ignostic is someone who can't figure out who this God character is that everyone talks about. Since people have such different beliefs (and I myself believe in God if He is defined as pi or some other mathematical concept), the ignostic just can't figure out what is being discussed.

	finite	2008-10-23 , 01:23
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I was pleased to see that the vote before mine pushed the combined total of Linux + No Religion over 50% (now 46 of 90 votes). Way to keep it real, ITT!

Originally Posted by jakemaheu

When I say this, I am dead serious: I'm a Pastafarian.

Yes, I worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster and was converted from Atheism.

Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes or given you clairvoyance enough to find the rebels' hidden fortress. But whatever gets you through the night is all right, all right.

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