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    zii | # 31 | 2008-11-10, 16:09 | Report

    Freedom4 operates a 3.5Ghz Wimax that is being rolled out in the UK (coverage is poor at present with only three towns covered).

    I read on the ofcom website that there is, or was, an auction for 2.5Ghz, but there are many licences granted in 3.5Ghz (and some in 28Ghz). I would like to know if there is any point in buying a 2.5Ghz wimax device in the UK, or even Europe, if noone is using it.
    http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/condocs/2ghzregsnotice/

    More worryingly, it seems that the blocks of spectrum is so wide, we might end up with WiMax devices in Spain not working in the UK or Denmark because each country is not using the same spectrum, which means one would have to buy a seperate device for each country one travels to. Similar to the dualband GSM handsets (900/1800Mhz) not working in the US. One had to buy a tri-band handset for 1,900Mhz. I cannot guarentee my wimax device will work anywhere else

    This article notes that there are a lot of 3.5Ghz Wimax roll outs across the US.
    http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=162200
    Why did Nokia put a 2.5Ghz transceiver into the N810, which apart from XOHM, many have decided to use 3.5Ghz?

    I hope that I there is something that I have missed that will make this all make sence to me.

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    Benson | # 32 | 2008-11-10, 17:07 | Report

    Originally Posted by zii View Post
    This article notes that there are a lot of 3.5Ghz Wimax roll outs across the US.
    http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=162200
    Why did Nokia put a 2.5Ghz transceiver into the N810, which apart from XOHM, many have decided to use 3.5Ghz?
    Well, siince they're doing the N810W in some sort of partnership with xohm, things might have gotten ugly if it didn't work on xohm...

    Also, it's not like everyone else is on 3.5, there are a good many 2.5 and also 2.3 deployments out there; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...WiMAX_networks for info on quite a few. If 3.5 does becomes dominant in sufficiently worthwhile markets, I see no reason they wouldn't produce a 3.5 version.

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    zii | # 33 | 2008-11-10, 17:19 | Report

    Chart lists 2.5Ghz in these countries,
    USA
    Angola
    Brazil
    New Zealand
    Russia
    Singapore and Venezuela

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    SD69 | # 34 | 2008-11-10, 18:03 | Report

    Originally Posted by Benson View Post
    Well, siince they're doing the N810W in some sort of partnership with xohm, things might have gotten ugly if it didn't work on xohm...

    Also, it's not like everyone else is on 3.5, there are a good many 2.5 and also 2.3 deployments out there; see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...WiMAX_networks for info on quite a few. If 3.5 does becomes dominant in sufficiently worthwhile markets, I see no reason they wouldn't produce a 3.5 version.
    The WiMax edition was started in 2006 (not a typo), announced at CES 2007, and languished until now when XOHM languished until now. Even if Nokia had the presence of mind to design beyond XOHM (and I don't think they did), at that time, there were no commercially available multiband WiMax rf chips.

    Please note than no one has yet been able to get the Wimax version tablet operating on any Wimax network other than XOHM. (I hope this changes soon)

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    heavyt | # 35 | 2008-11-10, 19:29 | Report

    Originally Posted by zii View Post
    Why did Nokia put a 2.5Ghz transceiver into the N810, which apart from XOHM, many have decided to use 3.5Ghz?

    I hope that I there is something that I have missed that will make this all make sence to me.
    Mayybe that decision was based on the amount of units,N8XX, that had been sold in the US.

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    allnameswereout | # 36 | 2008-11-10, 21:34 | Report

    Well, that does mean its not necessarily a 'WiMAX Edition'. If you take Austria, for example, there is nation-wide WiMAX rolled out but for 3.5 GHz. But if it'd work on WiMAX 2.5 GHz it'd be neither a WiMAX nor a Xohm Edition; it'd be a WiMAX 2.5 GHz edition. I suppose some WiMAX chipsets support multiple bands; at least in the HS*PA/UMTS chips this is possible.

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    sjgadsby | # 37 | 2008-11-11, 13:33 | Report

    Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
    Well, that does mean its not necessarily a 'WiMAX Edition'.
    Riiight. And any so-called "GSM phone" that doesn't support all of the GSM bands--400 MHz, 450 MHz, 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1800 MHz, and 1900 MHz--is an impostor. The same for any WiFi gear that doesn't support channels 1 through 14.

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    SD69 | # 38 | 2008-11-11, 13:49 | Report

    Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
    Well, that does mean its not necessarily a 'WiMAX Edition'. If you take Austria, for example, there is nation-wide WiMAX rolled out but for 3.5 GHz. But if it'd work on WiMAX 2.5 GHz it'd be neither a WiMAX nor a Xohm Edition; it'd be a WiMAX 2.5 GHz edition. I suppose some WiMAX chipsets support multiple bands; at least in the HS*PA/UMTS chips this is possible.
    People on this thread need to realize that 3.5GHz WiMAx networks weren't around the US 2 years ago and are still few and far between. The chips may come around eventually (for the major bands), just like the multiband GSM chips did.

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    allnameswereout | # 39 | 2008-11-11, 18:25 | Report

    Originally Posted by sjgadsby View Post
    Riiight. And any so-called "GSM phone" that doesn't support all of the GSM bands--400 MHz, 450 MHz, 850 MHz, 900 MHz, 1800 MHz, and 1900 MHz--is an impostor. The same for any WiFi gear that doesn't support channels 1 through 14.
    Exactly. The name of the standard doesn't say everything which confuses customers. But it only matters when it bites you.

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    sjgadsby | # 40 | 2008-11-11, 20:10 | Report

    Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
    The name of the standard doesn't say everything...
    This is true for almost every standard though. Even in cases where providing more explicit information is encouraged by the standards bodies--"USB Hi-Speed" and "32-bit PCI" being examples of this--problems can still occur. For the examples just given, power requirements and the number of inline hubs/bridges can result in non-working configurations.

    See also the previous Internet Tablets, which fail to connect to the Internet in those locations that use unsupported WiFi authentication methods. Shockingly, Nokia neglects to disclose the full list of supported authentication methods--and all other detailed specifications--in the name of each tablet.

    Originally Posted by allnameswereout View Post
    ...which confuses customers.
    Well, considering...
    Originally Posted by Nokia Europe
    The Nokia N810 WiMAX Edition is only available in the US.
    ...and comes in a box featuring prominent XOHM logos, those potential confused customers should need to go out of their way a bit to become, well, customers. However, should they go to the trouble, they may also be disappointed to find they need a NEMA 1-15R outlet for the charger bundled with the WiMAX Edition tablet, another fact not disclosed by the product name.

    You're tilting at windmills.

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