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I wonder how many Americans, armed with guns to protect their homes, are going to lose those homes without being able to fire a shot at anyone... because the criminals who stole their homes are the rich, smiling, white-collar b@stards on Wall Street who destroyed the global economy?
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I wonder how many Americans, armed with guns to protect their homes, are going to lose those homes without being able to fire a shot at anyone... because the criminals who stole their homes are the rich, smiling, white-collar b@stards on Wall Street who destroyed the global economy?
This is exaclty what drives people to commit things like this guy, my hero

Check out here http://www.metacafe.com/watch/199525/bulldozer_rampage/


Who says you can't fight city hall, just tear it down!!!!!
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Originally Posted by penguinbait View Post
This is exaclty what drives people to commit things like this guy, my hero

Check out here http://www.metacafe.com/watch/199525/bulldozer_rampage/


Who says you can't fight city hall, just tear it down!!!!!
What a sad story. He was obviously a bright guy.
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What a sad story. He was obviously a bright guy.
That guy chose his fate, and I completely understand how someone could be driven by city government to do the same.

Here is a sad story.
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...43&postcount=1

Chuck was my best friend and was murdered this year on my birthday. No gun law would have stopped this a55hole from killing my friend.

Banning all guns is not an answer. People will still kill people. This does not mean, that taking steps to ban some weapons and overhaualing the way guns are purchased will not help.

But the sad fact of it is, until we change our culture (in America), people will still freak out and kill people. (with guns, fists, knifes, hammers, or whatever is handy)
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Originally Posted by qole View Post
I wonder how many Americans, armed with guns to protect their homes, are going to lose those homes without being able to fire a shot at anyone... because the criminals who stole their homes are the rich, smiling, white-collar b@stards on Wall Street who destroyed the global economy?
The economy has been broken ever since.

And you might want to thank the credit card corporations in Delaware as well.

Sad story, bright guy. Hans Reiser...
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But the sad fact of it is, until we change our culture (in America), people will still freak out and kill people. (with guns, fists, knifes, hammers, or whatever is handy)
This is a statement I can agree with. It's just nailing down exactly what it is in our culture that breeds so many psycho's.

I think part of it boils down to separation of responsibility.. parents don't take responsibility for their kids anymore. It's TV's Fault, it's the Cereal Boxes fault, it's McDonald's fault we're all fat, It's the Guns fault, It's NRA's fault that Columbine happened, it's the Democrats fault, it's the Republicans fault, it's those darned Games' fault.... ad infinitum.

When was the last time anyone went public and actually said.. "Yeah.. ok... it was MY fault."

And then to make matters worse.. they've enacted laws that actually prevent parents from parenting. Don't spank your kids, it's child abuse.

I've actually heard of schools that have the rule that if a child gets spank, they are supposed to tell their teacher - and their teacher sends in CDS to the house.

How are we supposed to enact a change in society or the culture when we are bound, gagged, and strapped to a log by all the rules and regulations we've put in place that are merely meant to hopefully "prevent" some random atrocity that hit the news today?
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"But the sad fact of it is, until we change our culture (in America), people will still freak out and kill people. (with guns, fists, knifes, hammers, or whatever is handy)"

I am getting tired of this particular cliche, sorry. I can think of at least one person who might commit a gun crime who would be unlikely to use fists, knives, hammers or whatever is handy.

That would be me.

I would never want the mess of using knives, etc. I doubt if I could kill someone with my fists.

So, if I go crazy, I will find and use a gun. No substitutes. In fact, if it was too difficult to find a gun, I might give up, because I'm lazy.

Are there any other lazy Americans who wouldn't use many ways of killing, but would use a gun?

I think there are.
 
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If you're telling me you can already foresee a time that you would kill someone merely because it was convenient and simple... and not gone crazy... I think you need some help.

If you get to the point you've gone crazy enough to kill someone for something like road rage... the item you use to do it with is going to matter significantly less than the actual act itself. If you AREN'T crazy and are pre-meditating a murder - and want to use a rifle/scope so you have a chance to escape....

We've got more issues with you than Gun Control..
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I think it's a scientific fact that the more convenient killing is made, the more people will do it. Does anyone think that the number of murders will go up the harder murder is made?
 
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The point is to look at the statistics of countries that enacted Gun Control on a mass level.. their total "violent crime" numbers per year stayed the same, or rose.

That implies that anyone that WAS stopped by using a gun was a very negligible number... people just opted to use something else.

When you've gotten to the point that outright murder or crime is worth it to you to pay the price.. or even worse; you think you can commit a crime without paying the price... the object you use is not going to be important.

Look at me, for example. I argue for the right to defend my family and my home with a firearm. That does NOT, however, mean that if my house is attacked by, say, 3 assailants while I am downstairs eating popcorn watching a movie with the family.. and I DON'T have my gun on me.. that I'm just going to lay down and go "OK I GIVE UP!!!.. Make it quick, please?"

No.. I'm going to grab the nearest thing to me.. (in my case likely a bataan).. and STILL fight back. Albeit, probably less effectively if they have guns. Even in the case where I have NO weapon.. I'll fall back on the 8 years martial arts, and combat training in the military. I will always fight back.

I would imagine the same goes for criminals.. considering, as I've already mentioned, there are thousands of cases of criminals using nothing more than a knife to commit a crime. Everything from burglary, murder, rape, you name it - that has been committed with a gun.. has ALSO been committed with something else.. be it a bat, a nine iron, a switch blade, or a Pencil!

If you truly WANT to kill something.. they must have done something extremely horrible to you to make you feel that their death brings you something of significant value. Significant enough to risk the Death Penalty, or life imprisonment. At the moment someone does something like that to you - do you really think, in that state of mind, you're just going to go "I WOULD KILL YOU IF I HAD A GUN!!! But.. Since I don't.. Meh. I hate you." And go home?

If you answer yes to that.. the gun owners and so-called crazies like me, and probably Benson - They don't scare me. YOU scare me.
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