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2009-05-01
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
I understand what you are saying Tim. I just disagree.
I'm still waiting for my headache, I guess... I find the new color scheme easier to read than the old one.
Tim
Judging from the results of the poll, I am neither crazy nor alone.
Why did they not mock up a vBulletin dev site and put up the themes prior to going live, and get some freaking input from the community. This would have saved many people headaches.
I really really REALLY am not trying to be a prick. Its like when facebook put out new terms of service, enough people complain, threaten to leave, throw tantrums, things tend to get accommodated.
Changing ITT, without having the minimalist theme or a dark them was a colossal mistake. The people who used the minimalist theme, were used to white/blue, its now black, and not completely functional. The people that wanted the black theme, try the minimalist theme and it is not fully functional.
Things I do not understand.
1) why was a dev site not put up, and approved by some community consensus?
2) why were the old themes not available on the new site?
3) why couldn't the new default theme be copied and colors changed to be a darker theme to more align itself the ITT's image for the last three years?
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
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2009-05-01
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Maybe you should start a new poll with just two items:
- I prefer a light theme (dark font on white)
- I prefer a dark theme (light font on black)
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2009-05-01
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Originally Posted by SD69
Come on: this is theme.
Yes for me.
maemo.org header?
new sub-forum structure?
where is newbie sub-forum?
Another quote:
Originally Posted by TenSpeed
This is a complaint about content, and the term "newbie". Perhaps the discussion about removing the newbie forum concluded correclty, if it ends up not offending a large segment of the community?
I use the forum less these days, but that's mostly due to the content - lots of stuff for programmers, some for "newbies" (I find that term really insulting, btw), [...]
Forums are like people - they have a personality and a feel to them. Just like you can't transplant an organ from one person to another and claim that they are the same person because they have the same guts.
What we've done is put different make-up on the person, given them a bionic leg but kept the brain and heart. Communities like ITT aren't based on themes or domain names: they're solely based on people.
This forum will be different because it will have the maemo.org feel to it instead of the more open itt feel.
- The theme changes were discussed on maemo-community.
- The theme deployment was discussed on maemo-community and in IRC meetings. All are minuted.
- The bills being paid by Nokia and the giving of maemo.org to the community was announced months ago.
- You've now got a list of moderators (sourced from very active members of this forum who volunteered) ready to jump on spam faster than Reggie could.
- You've now got no ads, and no worries that as the fora get more popular, Reggie alone is getting hit by the bill (did you ever donate? I didn't. Now I don't need to, and I don't need to feel guilty about it).
Both Reggie and other moderators have said they'll happily accept theme submissions from other people. Yes, penguinbait (and yourself?) would have liked to have retained either the existing ITT theme (which I always hated), the classic theme, an inverted theme, a pink theme, a theme with purple polkadots - but that's not happened.
Do we sit around wasting time discussing what you'd've liked to have happened, or deal with the reality we're now in?
Sit there moaning about how the heart has been ripped out of this poor forum (with the apparent consent of its owner) or do something constructive. I ask you, in the spirit of what's made this community, to please do the latter?
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2009-05-01
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
Hehe. Judging from the poll results, neither am I.
Judging from the results of the poll, I am neither crazy nor alone.
Originally Posted by penguinbait
While you are correct in the fact that this didn't happen, the theme for maemo.org as a whole has been discussed and scrutinized since last August. The idea that itT was coming to maemo.org has been discussed since December. Logically, all parts of maemo.org were/are going to look the same.
Why did they not mock up a vBulletin dev site and put up the themes prior to going live, and get some freaking input from the community. This would have saved many people headaches.
Originally Posted by penguinbait
This was done at http://newstyle.maemo.org (discussed on the -community mailing list as well as several blog posts by me), although we never had the "talk" section working until Reggie converted the new maemo.org theme to the forum.
1) why was a dev site not put up, and approved by some community consensus?
Originally Posted by penguinbait
First, I'll defer to my post about usability and cohesiveness. Second, I'll add that maintaining a number of different site styles (especially for vBulletin) is just plain hard... We already have to style Midgard, Bugzilla, Mediawiki, etc., let alone the idea of maintaining all sorts of other styles.
2) why were the old themes not available on the new site?
Originally Posted by penguinbait
Again, more themes = more maintenance.
3) why couldn't the new default theme be copied and colors changed to be a darker theme to more align itself the ITT's image for the last three years?
The whole maemo.org umbrella is a community effort. Our community, while pretty large, has a limited amount of individuals who are both willing and able to help with website design and maintenance. So far, Reggie has been very accommodating -- as has Andrew Black. If other would like to join in and help do all of these things that are being requested, that's complete fine -- and appreciated. But, so far, all I hear are a bunch of people making requests for changes -- not requests to participate.
Tim
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2009-05-01
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Originally Posted by Reggie
I don't want to change the default theme, I want to have options.
Maybe you should start a new poll with just two items:
- I prefer a light theme (dark font on white)
- I prefer a dark theme (light font on black)
I asked why can't the old options be available to choose? Perhaps there is a technical reason, I don't know, why they were not included?
Why can't we continue to have choices? Why must we choose to only have dark or light backgrounds. I really wish there was a mod to allow vbulletin users to set their own colors, but I did not see anything like that.
Adding a FULLY functional dark theme would knock my bug request out of the water, and shut me up. Is it really that hard to copy the new default theme and make some color changes? Perhaps this is more work than I anticipate?
Is there some cost?, is this because maemo wants to control the look? Why can't we have choices, why would existing themes not be moved also.
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
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2009-05-01
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Originally Posted by timsamoff
Tim, the problem was that the new maemo.org style was never discussed here. I don't subscribe to any maemo.org mailing lists -- I don't really like mailing lists, I prefer forums.
Hehe. Judging from the poll results, neither am I.
While you are correct in the fact that this didn't happen, the theme for maemo.org as a whole has been discussed and scrutinized since last August. The idea that itT was coming to maemo.org has been discussed since December. Logically, all parts of maemo.org were/are going to look the same.
This was done at http://newstyle.maemo.org (discussed on the -community mailing list as well as several blog posts by me), although we never had the "talk" section working until Reggie converted the new maemo.org theme to the forum.
First, I'll defer to my post about usability and cohesiveness. Second, I'll add that maintaining a number of different site styles (especially for vBulletin) is just plain hard... We already have to style Midgard, Bugzilla, Mediawiki, etc., let alone the idea of maintaining all sorts of other styles.
Again, more themes = more maintenance.
The whole maemo.org umbrella is a community effort. Our community, while pretty large, has a limited amount of individuals who are both willing and able to help with website design and maintenance. So far, Reggie has been very accommodating -- as has Andrew Black. If other would like to join in and help do all of these things that are being requested, that's complete fine -- and appreciated. But, so far, all I hear are a bunch of people making requests for changes -- not requests to participate.
Tim
I did not know that maemo.org was changing its style until relatively recently and after the theme was nearly complete.
I did know itT was moving to t.m.o and acquiring its theme, but thought it would acquire the old maemo.org theme (which I was more or less OK with) not a new one that I didn't even know about.
If, for example, back in August there was a thread started here titled "Input on a new maemo.org and talk theme required" I do not believe we would be having this discussion.
As a person that has trouble with their eyes and needs to administer eye drops that dilate them, I have trouble with reading extremely bright displays especially ones that are low-contrast.
Unfortunately, itT now falls into this category, and if it were to stay as it is, I would probably not visit here nearly as often.
It is unfair to say the new maemo.org theme was openly discussed by the community, and everyone had a chance to give their opinions, when in fact I, and I'm sure many other itT readers knew of no such change. And were of course never given the opportunity to voice their opinions and concerns.
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2009-05-01
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Originally Posted by SD69
Have they not been? As far as I'm aware, it was an open invitation. It just happens to be that very nearly everyone who is of moderator quality happens to be a member of maemo.org.
No I don't. That's what you say. I suggested that mod invitations should be openly offered to non-maemo.org members as a gesture of cooperation.
Originally Posted by SD69
maemo.org isn't just a website, it's the home of the Maemo Community. So if you're a member of the community, you're a member of maemo.org.
maemo.org is indeed a community of people who care about internet tablets and Maemo. But there are people who who are not active in maemo.org, and the reason is not because they don't care about the internet tablets or maemo.
Actually, I am a member of maemo.org. But I think maemo.org should remember that it is a voluntary membership and should drop the "you're part of it, like it or not" and other non-constructive attitudes.
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2009-05-01
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Originally Posted by BrentDC
I think when major changes like this are happening they should be coordinated by the Maemo Council and emails should be sent out, just like they did for voting for maemo council.
Tim, the problem was that the new maemo.org style was never discussed here. I don't subscribe to any maemo.org mailing lists -- I don't really like mailing lists, I prefer forums.
I did not know that maemo.org was changing its style until relatively recently and after the theme was nearly complete.
I did know itT was moving to t.m.o and acquiring its theme, but thought it would acquire the old maemo.org theme (which I was more or less OK with) not a new one that I didn't even know about.
If, for example, back in August there was a thread started here titled "Input on a new maemo.org and talk theme required" I do not believe we would be having this discussion.
As a person that has trouble with their eyes and needs to administer eye drops that dilate them, I have trouble with reading extremely bright displays especially ones that are low-contrast.
Unfortunately, itT now falls into this category, and if it were to stay as it is, I would probably not visit here nearly as often.
It is unfair to say the new maemo.org theme was openly discussed by the community, and everyone had a chance to give their opinions, when in fact I, and I'm sure many other itT readers knew of no such change. And were of course never given the opportunity to voice their opinions and concerns.
These email would send us all to a development website and we would give our input prior to the change in production.
As someone who has worked in IT for most of his life, this seems like a no brainer. Get all the complaints and problems worked out in development, as to not piss off all your users, also known as customers.
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To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
To all my Maemo friends. I will no longer be monitoring any of my threads here on a regular basis. I am no longer supporting anything I did under maemo at maemo.org. If you need some help with something you can reach me at tablethacker.com or www.facebook.com/penguinbait. I have disabled my PM's here, and removed myself from Council email and Community mailing list. There has been some fun times, see you around.
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2009-05-01
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Originally Posted by Jaffa
First, I answered the question posed by the OP and commented on it. Don't need your blessing to do that. Second, you sir, are the one who ASKED (post #25) what are the perceived changes (other than theme) in the forum. I responded to your question, and if answering it is wasting time, then don't ask the question.
Do we sit around wasting time discussing what you'd've liked to have happened, or deal with the reality we're now in?
Tim
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