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2009-05-14 , 14:21
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Originally Posted by Baloo View Post
...Would you have a lot of sympathy for someone who left their car unlocked with the keys still in it and subsequently had it stolen?...
Absolutely yes! I have sympathy for ANY mishap, be it negligent, intentional, or unintentional. When there is spilled milk, there is spilled milk, who put it there, who knock it off is inconsequential.

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2009-05-14 , 14:34
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Originally Posted by krisse View Post
It frightens me that someone would do something like this deliberately. They must have serious social problems.
This frightens you? Really? What's so horrible or unusual about the nature of their destructive activity? They broke into the machines, vandalized/erased/scrambled them, the end. This is what malicious hackers do. This is why you need backups.

I would be happier with digital defacement like this rather than it being injected with a worm or virus that is difficult/impossible to find. That way at least you know you have problem you can fix.
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2009-05-14 , 14:39
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Originally Posted by InfinityDevil View Post
This frightens you? Really? What's so horrible or unusual about the nature of their destructive activity? They broke into the machines, vandalized/erased/scrambled them, the end. This is what malicious hackers do. This is why you need backups.

I would be happier with digital defacement like this rather than it being injected with a worm or virus that is difficult/impossible to find. That way at least you know you have problem you can fix.
My other point was that this behavior is not confined to the digital domain, things like this and a lot worse happen every day outside, just take a look at a news paper to see it (or read one online ). Not really surprising.
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2009-05-14 , 18:17
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Originally Posted by krisse View Post
It frightens me that someone would do something like this deliberately. They must have serious social problems.
They may, or they may have assumed that any site so huge with so many years of work in it MUST have an offline backup, so the hackers were just messing around and seeing how much damage they could do, thinking they were playing in some kind of a sandbox environment, if you know what i mean. no social pathology necessary.

Originally Posted by InfinityDevil View Post
This frightens you? Really? What's so horrible or unusual about the nature of their destructive activity? They broke into the machines, vandalized/erased/scrambled them, the end. This is what malicious hackers do. This is why you need backups.
hey, hey, now. "this is what [they] do"? and you make backups, and that's that? here's evidence of a social pathology. Are the criminals not human? they're some kind of animals or aliens that cannot be comprehended by we, the intelligent, morally pure tablet owners, except as evil-doers? come on. this isn't some comic book or disney movie. ditch the dichotomy.

a crime was committed here, and that's always at least a little bit disturbing. it's not a complete waste of time to ponder the criminal mind, because it can result in solutions closer to the root of the problem--like redistributing wealth and improving education systems--rather than work-arounds like creating multiple off-site backups, installing bars on your windows, carrying a taser, and saying "this is what [criminals] do."
 
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2009-05-14 , 19:29
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The title is highly erroneous:
hackers -> they create
crackers -> they destroy
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2009-05-14 , 19:43
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Originally Posted by yerga View Post
The title is highly erroneous:
hackers -> they create
crackers -> they destroy
So, the criminals live in Georgia (USA)?

Seriously, the 'media' has never understood the difference between 'hacker' and 'cracker'...
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2009-05-14 , 19:51
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Man I had it all backed up on a usb thumb drive, now where is that?

Sympathy? If someone plays in the road and gets run down, should I have sympathy for them, or vote them onto the Darwin Awards?

Two servers is no substitute for an offsite backup.

Maybe there should be a technology Darwin award?
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2009-05-14 , 20:17
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2009-05-14 , 22:01
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Originally Posted by penguinbait View Post
Sympathy? If someone plays in the road and gets run down, should I have sympathy for them, or vote them onto the Darwin Awards? Two servers is no substitute for an offsite backup.
Indeed. I have little sympathy for myself when I do an rm -rf * .gz, and have lots of sympathy for hundreds of people suffering real harm all over the world on a daily basis.

When people fly planefuls of people into skyscrapers, I can't believe anyone is surprised by people being malicious on the Internet.

Maybe there should be a technology Darwin award?
I'm sure we can get some finalists in from Nokia too ;-)
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2009-05-14 , 22:36
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The level of dickness in this thread is disappointing.

They lost thirteen years of community built work. No matter the "they should ofs", this is a great loss and sympathy is appropriate. Ie, you understand and respect the pain they are feeling right about now.

Those without sympathy are exhibiting the same lack of emotional understanding that the perpetrators must have had to do this thing. This is sociopathy.
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