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2007-01-22 , 17:21
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#31
Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
Not an iPod-type scrollwheel, but a Sony jogwheel would be perfect on the N900 for scrolling long web pages and documents up/down.
You can already use you finger on the screen to scroll. Why more buttons? There are already too many on the device.
 
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You can already use you finger on the screen to scroll. Why more buttons? There are already too many on the device.
IMO the scroll control is just rendered way, way too small. On many web pages I have accessed I have slipped off with the stylus and clicked some unwanted link by accident way too many times for my liking. It's only exacerbated by using my finger. This is particularly true on pages that are highly customized. I'd love to see some sort of hardware-based page scrolling feature located on the right side of the device.
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
IMO the scroll control is just rendered way, way too small. On many web pages I have accessed I have slipped off with the stylus and clicked some unwanted link by accident way too many times for my liking. It's only exacerbated by using my finger. This is particularly true on pages that are highly customized. I'd love to see some sort of hardware-based page scrolling feature located on the right side of the device.
That's subjective, that is.
 
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
You can already use you finger on the screen to scroll. Why more buttons? There are already too many on the device.
I may have agreed until I started using a device - a Sony Ericcson phone - that has a jogwheel and it's a very, very useful interface device. You can scroll up/down, push in to select and (not on my device but on others) I believe you can move it back and forth for other actions (left/right? zoom in/out?). One input device, many functions - works for me.
 
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Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
I may have agreed until I started using a device - a Sony Ericcson phone - that has a jogwheel and it's a very, very useful interface device. You can scroll up/down, push in to select and (not on my device but on others) I believe you can move it back and forth for other actions (left/right? zoom in/out?). One input device, many functions - works for me.
I have a P910 and I can vouch that the 5-way jogdial is a very good thing (eternal shame in the ninth Bolgia of Hell for SE to drop it).

... On the P910's OS, that is. The version of UIQ 2.1 on the PXXO series was designed around that jogwheel. Stick a jogwheel on a N800 and we would be able to hear the user grumbling in outer space.

OTOH, I also use a Newton Messagepad 2100 that has exactly one hardware button, the on/off switch, and really doesn't need another one. Mind you, the Newton OS is just about the best designed pen-based OS you can lay your hands on, so perhaps Nokia (and the developer community) could not do too badly by having an occasional good look at it?
 
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Stick a jogwheel on a N800 and we would be able to hear the user grumbling in outer space.
As the thread title says, we're discussing proposals for a "N900" - if a jogwheel/jogdial were included in the next hardware iteration I would expect a future IT OS to be aware of it's presence and use it accordingly.
 
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
That's subjective, that is.
Never said otherwise.

What's the deal, Karel? You single me out as someone to fight with?
 
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
Never said otherwise.

What's the deal, Karel? You single me out as someone to fight with?
Nah. I'm too lazy to fight.
 
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#39
Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
OTOH, I also use a Newton Messagepad 2100 that has exactly one hardware button, the on/off switch, and really doesn't need another one. Mind you, the Newton OS is just about the best designed pen-based OS you can lay your hands on, so perhaps Nokia (and the developer community) could not do too badly by having an occasional good look at it?
Rejoice, Karel, you're not alone :

http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/

(this guy just speared into the Nokia rear line, through the maemo-dev ML :-)
 
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Rejoice, Karel, you're not alone :

http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/

(this guy just speared into the Nokia rear line, through the maemo-dev ML :-)
Well, what can I say? Sean Luke r00lz on the Newton scene. I could only wish he's coming over to the N800 side...

BTW, if Einstein ever gets completely done and runs on the N800, you'll never see me on this forum again.
 
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