lma | # 1611 | 2009-08-09, 03:02 | Report

I think you mean LEFT :-)

Also: with no CHR key, how is one supposed enter accents/diacriticals or switch languages? I can't believe this is only supposed to support ASCII input plus a couple of currency symbols.

volt | # 1612 | 2009-08-09, 03:27 | Report

I know a rhetorical question when I see one, but I answer them anyway.

If the Ctrl key would act like the Fn or Shift key, it wouldn't be a problem, would it? First press Ctrl, then press C - with a single thumb if you so like.

No, it doesn't work today, but that should be fixable in software.

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What worries me more is the decrease in keys and characters, most notably the Chr key, as mentioned by LMA. 40 keys on my N810, 34 on the Rover - not counting the arrow keys.

Nokia tend to be Finnish, and here in Scandinavia, as well as in Germany, we require the use of a few more characters than the ones present in this keyboard. My N810 has the letters æ (ä), ø (ö) and å. Ø and Å is placed to the right of the M. Rover - not enough keys. They will have to be traded into the Sym charset. Which three characters would I have to give up? $, £ and €?

And other people may miss the chance to create an é or ü, which today is accessible through chr.

They already removed < and >, that I do use.

I am really disturbed by the lack of the Chr key.

On a side note, the keyboard doesn't look like it's a lot better than the current one. I get an awful lot of double keypresses on the N810, and my fingers are not that big. It's not a good keyboard.

On another side note, I guess the Chr key functionality can be accessed through an onscreen button, but that would steal real estate.

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Last edited by volt; 2009-08-09 at 03:40. Reason: moar, bettr, smartr

lma | # 1613 | 2009-08-09, 04:03 | Report

True, but see bug 2856 (and note the version field).

After looking at the photos again it seems it may have been replaced by FN+CTRL, but that would seem to only cover one of its current functions (the "pop up a selection box of characters on the screen" one). Cycling through various accented versions of a letter would at best be very cumbersome and language switching seems impossible (please don't suggest SHIFT+FN+CTRL!)

Yeah, good luck asking a bug reporter to produce debug output with that one... Or editing HTML/XML? I thought WRTs were supposed to be a big deal for Nokia.

Well, as of Fremantle beta 2 we haven't even seen hints of on-screen input methods yet apart from a few "foo has been dropped" bombshells, so who knows...

johnkzin | # 1614 | 2009-08-09, 04:20 | Report

doh!!!

Yes. *sheepish grin*

ArnimS | # 1615 | 2009-08-10, 21:20 | Report

How can i Un-Thank someone for a post? The members who thank such posts devalue the whole thanks/karma system.

Mara | # 1616 | 2009-08-10, 21:25 | Report

I agree with you that I did not expect any thanks on that post... But it is readers' choice after all? Maybe I made someone smile/laugh, and that's why?

wazd | # 1617 | 2009-08-10, 21:27 | Report

I thought Stskeeps is the only Karma-whore in here :P Just kidding

qole | # 1618 | 2009-08-10, 21:41 | Report

I agree that "thanks" is the wrong thing to hit for a funny post, but people do it... "thanks" should be for informative posts.

We need a "haha" button, or a "lol" button, so when people think a post is funny, they don't hit "thanks".

sjgadsby | # 1619 | 2009-08-10, 21:53 | Report

+1, Insightful

lma | # 1620 | 2009-08-10, 22:06 | Report

Just click "Remove Your Thanks".

Nah, thanks server a useful purpose (keeping noise/me-too posts down) and karma is overrated anwyay. Let's not start worrying "OMG! If I thank this person he might become eligible to stand for council one day!" please :-)