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2009-08-15
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Originally Posted by ysss
Sorry ? What gave you that idea (especially seeing all the feature requests and responses in various t.m.o. threads) ? It's not any less user-driven than any other software.
One thing about opensource developments though, it's not user\customer driven.
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2009-08-15
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#33
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Originally Posted by qole
iPhone on contract.
Hey silvetmountain, how much did you pay for your N810? I'm guessing about $200?
What other devices with roughly similar functionality are available in that price range?
Archos 7 - as of today on 1 Sale A Day.
iPaq 2210 with CF wifi.
Give me time... I'll think of a few others.
If you feel that you can find a device with a similar range of software, with more polish and professionalism in the apps, then, seriously, buy it.
The community sourced apps are great. But they're not polished.
At all. And apathy, patience, compassion, and other emotions don't solve jack either. Name something you've paid almost $400 for - I was there on day one - that withered down to community sourced apps that lacked polish, updates and support.
You'd feel rather damn let down too. That's my experience. And asking devs on this site - you'll likely get shot down if you don't fall into lockstep with the other moderators with huge *** chips on their shoulders and bow down when you post. Simply put, asking for updates, asking for support, asking for things on this board yields very little other than attitude in most cases.
I fear it'll only get worse.
As for me, my experience is the opposite of yours. My tablet is like a Christmas present that I get to keep unwrapping, month after month, year after year.
The community developers keep surprising me with unexpected gifts; I keep finding new ways to use this astonishing little thing; and mostly the devs are helpful and friendly.
Zerojay has an excellent point. Ask not what the developers can do for you! Ask what you can do for the developers!
I've asked for video for the camera via RT Comm. Same feeling... "Who needs it? I don't. Your needs aren't like mine."
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2009-08-15
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sorry for the double post, but I just realized there's a bit of a misunderstanding here. I was rereading the first post and I noticed that silvermountain said that one of the solutions to the problem is to share the code of projects that are deemed important.
But silvermountain, if they aren't sharing the code, then the app isn't free at all! Free isn't failing there, they're failing at free!
Open source requires shared code. That's the very core of open source. That's what open source means.
When I reread your original post as a request to make more projects truly open source, because without shared source we can't take over when a dev leaves, I go from disagreeing with you to agreeing with you 100%. We need to ensure that the good Maemo apps are made open source, to avoid 'dead' apps.
But silvermountain, if they aren't sharing the code, then the app isn't free at all! Free isn't failing there, they're failing at free!
Open source requires shared code. That's the very core of open source. That's what open source means.
When I reread your original post as a request to make more projects truly open source, because without shared source we can't take over when a dev leaves, I go from disagreeing with you to agreeing with you 100%. We need to ensure that the good Maemo apps are made open source, to avoid 'dead' apps.
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2009-08-15
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Originally Posted by qole
Aw crap... I went from disagreeing with you to also agreeing - but I went by your original post.
sorry for the double post, but I just realized there's a bit of a misunderstanding here. I was rereading the first post and I noticed that silvermountain said that one of the solutions to the problem is to share the code of projects that are deemed important.
But silvermountain, if they aren't sharing the code, then the app isn't free at all! Free isn't failing there, they're failing at free!
Open source requires shared code. That's the very core of open source. That's what open source means.
When I reread your original post as a request to make more projects truly open source, because without shared source we can't take over when a dev leaves, I go from disagreeing with you to agreeing with you 100%. We need to ensure that the good Maemo apps are made open source, to avoid 'dead' apps.
Agreed. There's some code that wasn't made fully open. But YellowNotes and DialCentral were... and look at how much those are great now.
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2009-08-15
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One of the main reasons why i have an Internet Tablet not an Ipod touch is that all software apart from 1 is free (maps is kinda not free).
I feel that having all the software free for the Internet tablets has been vital for its success.
I feel that having all the software free for the Internet tablets has been vital for its success.
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2009-08-15
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Discussion steered away from that topic but i'd like to return there.
Few years ago many people (especially in floss world) had a big laugh when certain fat man danced a monkey dance chanting 'developers, developers'.
But you know? He is right. When you make developers happy they will create more, better applications. And I think Nok finally is getting it. Ovi store should make it easier to monetize for programmers on their work (I hope there will be maemo section); move to 'Qt everywhere' strategy which should make market bigger.
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Few years ago many people (especially in floss world) had a big laugh when certain fat man danced a monkey dance chanting 'developers, developers'.
But you know? He is right. When you make developers happy they will create more, better applications. And I think Nok finally is getting it. Ovi store should make it easier to monetize for programmers on their work (I hope there will be maemo section); move to 'Qt everywhere' strategy which should make market bigger.
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2009-08-15
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Originally Posted by vvaz
Ah, story of the happy developer. I can tell you from experience that commercial is the least happy developer arena. Nobody cares what YOU like or think, if you're sick, if you don't agree, or simply you invested too much time or money into it, went bankrupt, had family issues or whatnot. The user paid 25$ to see you dance and dance you must. Sure, there are star developers who got rich and under spotlights, but then again, who talks about the horde of unsuccessful commercial developers or their apps ? When they go into the pit of abandonment, they take their apps with them and it's like they never existed, along with their Ballmer style 'happiness'.
But you know? He is right. When you make developers happy they will create more, better applications. And I think Nok finally is getting it. Ovi store should make it easier to monetize for programmers on their work (I hope there will be maemo section); move to 'Qt everywhere' strategy which should make market bigger.
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2009-08-15
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Originally Posted by lma
The problem with bug trackers and mailing lists is that the information must be "pushed" there by an user/customer. It is usually too big step for a typical (probably non-technical) end-user. He or she just wants a working software, not to spend time to find out where would be a suitable forum to discuss about it.
I disagree. Free/Open projects typically have bug trackers and mailing lists where the user/customer can submit bug reports and feature requests. Closed ones typically don't.
Companies are "pulling" the feedback by doing, for example, user tests and market research. At least they should, if they want to sell their products. When a customer buys software, he or she expects that it is working.
The question is: how to combine these two aspects and cultures. That is happening, when companies are entering into open source software world.
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2009-08-15
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Am I the only one who feels that the critique is actually a single developer vs company approach difference ? A single developer is of course not equally skilled at coding, design, distribution, business and is definitely limited in the ability to do market research and whatnot. Companies work differently as they employ people with complementary skills and thus are able to be more polished and employ more techniques to better their products. This, again, has nothing to do with the measure of 'free' (do you think RedHat, Canonical et al don't do market research ?).
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