I'm sort of toying with leaving Mac OS X for Ubuntu, but I still have some Macs.
An Apple Tablet would probably make me reconsider that, or decide to retain some level of hybrid approach.
I'm due for a hardware refresh, and I'm trying to impose the requirement that the end result would be a hardware consolidation. Sorta like you, I'm either keeping two desktops or I'm going OS X with a GNU/Linux VM. I have a good KVM, but I wouldn't mind having a solid reason to stop using it.
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I wouldn't, though, install OS X on my dell mini, for the same reason I wouldn't install Ubuntu on a random netbook (like the Nokia). It becomes harder to support, and I don't feel like fighting those battles, these days.
Yes, I choose not to trail blaze much any more, but I have good luck if I use Nvidia and Atheros.
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But, if the Nokia netbook is getting 12 hours battery life out of a 10" netbook ... why can't a 10" Apple Tablet do the same? One of the thoughts is that Nokia is able to do this by using the next generation of Atom ... certainly Intel is just as willing (if not more) to sell that same next generation Atom to Apple.
Maybe these new Atoms are the missing piece.
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And, while I wouldn't install Ubuntu on the metal, I might be more than willing to buy VMWare Fusion and/or Parallels, and install Ubuntu on that. Ubuntu & Mac OS X on a 10" tablet. Great for use during my commute. With a kickstand or dock-like holder, and with my folding USB keyboard (and maybe a mouse), great for use at a meeting. Add Apple's display port, with a VGA adapter, and I can hook it up to my existing KVM switches (at work and home).
What's not to like? Sure, the virtual Ubuntu install would be slow, but I don't do a lot of intensive stuff on my dell mini, either.
There's no doubt that a 10" tablet with a full OS has my attention, but after that I'm most interested in weight. I would be disappointed if it was more than 1.5 pounds.
There's no doubt that a 10" tablet with a full OS has my attention, but after that I'm most interested in weight. I would be disappointed if it was more than 1.5 pounds.
Well, it apparently has a (not exactly new) Silverthorne Atom Z530. It does have a somewhat better battery life than the N2xx Atoms usually seen in the cheapo netbooks, but the 12 hours still sounds way too much unless they presume some very artificial use-case (or are for double batteries or somesuch).
Well, it apparently has a (not exactly new) Silverthorne Atom Z530. It does have a somewhat better battery life than the N2xx Atoms usually seen in the cheapo netbooks, but the 12 hours still sounds way too much unless they presume some very artificial use-case (or are for double batteries or somesuch).
As for weight, it's 2.75 pounds (1.25kg).
Sorry, we got off-topic in this off-topic thread. I was talking about the weight of a non-existent netbook sized tablet. If it didn't have a hardware keyboard I would hope it'd be lighter than the lightest netbooks, which are about 2 lbs.
If the Z series can double battery life for similar clock speeds that would be great. Before I saw your post I was reading this:
MSRP does not equate street price; however when was the last time you saw the MSRP cut in half on day one?
Never. $799 is too much, $599 is too much.
I really have to agree. I have toying with the idea of getting a netbook but $799 is a little rich for my blood. That's as much as I paid for the monster of a laptop I have right now.
If I had to take a stab at it, based on what I've seen in corporate IT memoranda, I'd say a premium on Linux devices is due to support costs.
When Dell came out with the Minis the Ubuntu-preloaded versions were list priced comfortably cheaper than the XP-on-extended-life-support ones, with software tech support outsourced to Canonical IIRC. Unfortunately outside their direct sales, the channel invariably only discounts the XP preloads (which could be telling in a way...).
There's much more to it than support costs though when manufacturers (or actually more like relabellers of Taiwanese ODM produce) even try and refuse to sell "their hardware" without an OS, althought that would naturally mean they wouldn't need to carry any cost for software support either.
Also based on my own admittedly limited experience as tech support, modern Linux installs tend to be "fire and forget" while the average non-pro Windows user is plagued by OS and driver reinstalls, virii and malware plus the occasional catastrophic data loss.
But back to the "Booklet 3G".
With this clean aluminum design and by jumping straight on the Microsoft Windows Seven gravy-train (although who gets the gravy is another issue) Nokia might attempt to take some thunder out of Apple's likely future inetbookish offering.
Even the battery might be Apple-style non-user-replacable one, because there's no way the thumb-thick hinge version in the PR photos will power even the lowest-power Intel CPU for 12 hours using any current mainstream battery tech, let alone standard power cells.
Apple's styling department wouldn't find that massive bezel acceptable though, for a premium-priced product.
Maybe it's a Nooklet for the crannies (as in niches) rather than one for the centre stage (aka mainstream).
Yeah, that price point is insane. More than anything else, it intrigues me.. I wonder how Nokia plans to justify the price point. I'm very curious of how they'll be marketing this device or if there's any significantly valuable part of it that is still unannounced.
The Atom created the netbook market, not Linux. Linux was in because it was customizable enough to fit into netbook hardware. The same reason why Maemo devices exists, Linux can be made to work on any kind of device, something you can't do with Windows
If I can afford to license it, it can be made.
The netbook market started with cheap Celerons and Chompers. The market completely died after all the Pentiums and Turions started running around. A few thousand hardware failures later, we're back to Celerons but they're now competing with weird achitectures like ARM that will eventually give x86 the foot.
You're doing something wrong. Absolute minimal XP in MiniNT mode is 30MB with as much scrapping as possible. Inherently useless, but you get the idea. Most of my MiniNT builds run the gambit of 220MB with full application support. Mind you, this has nothing to do with the XPE system and was made entirely on my own time. Either way, I cannot continue work on an OS that I can no longer use. If you still doubt the possibilities, you should look into the linux source rebuild of Windows.
No that's not a joke. :\
Microsoft Office 07 can be trimmed to halfway between a pocket CD and a full CD capacity(~500MB). Network support, Skype, WinImage, IzArc and ArtRage would put the system drive just under 1GB usage. Not only does this make an Internet tablet a very feasible and productive school/business device with heavy uptime, it also slams EVERYTHING ever discussed at the PDC for the past 10 years or so continuing down a path that no one wants. This is where the design becomes fun:
Since the main disk should not be journaled, something like FAT can be used. Make the main disk a non-moving 2GB flash device. Then make the additional disk another flash disk or a moving 4/8/12GB disk. Anyone that accesses and transfers large documents frequently understands the reasoning behind this.
It's so incredibly easy to manufacture and use. It's easier yet to qualify the productive design and yet no one has looked into this strategy. The idea is that you want people to buy a product that users like, understand and can rely upon. When you use a bad hardware list and overprice it, you have a difficult design that does not sell. Is this hard to understand?
Market share is so true but I question the Linux Netbook returns. Dell has said there is no difference between MS and Linux Netbook returns.
80% of my returns are hardware related.
The other 20% is bad proprietary software completely demeaning to the product.
That 20% should not exist. Ever.
I can live with maemo despite all the weak hardware. It's not THAT bad. I kind of need the rediculous battery life anyhow. But here's the thing: When you reduce the energy footprint, you begin to see a tradeoff between capability and your actual productivity. If you're always waiting on weak hardware, you need to stop because it's killing you. Move on.
But, if the Nokia netbook is getting 12 hours battery life out of a 10" netbook ... why can't a 10" Apple Tablet do the same?
Look at the energy footprint on the Apple modbook and then compare it to any generation Apple notebook.
See the difference? Me neither. A good battery we have not. o_O
NOW compare it to an eee PC. Take note in device temperatures, I/O loads and other fine details. It's all the little things that matter.
I say just take the Nokia N8xx series hardware list as a base blueprint, raise the screen size(and framebuffer), and raise the CPU/GPU consumption footprint to about 1.6x that of the N810(requires new hardware). Sure I'll only see 5 hours of battery life with this new prototype but I won't be waiting the other 3 hours I would otherwise due to CPU/GPU lockups. I'm not saying put my 3.2GHz PII in it but make it feasible to use without the lockup frustration. THEN start playing with battery design.
For CPUs the x86 Chomper is probably the oldest start. Win95-Longhorn4074 is good for it though. I guess this says a lot about power/design. A Pentium M is newer and eats far more energy(never thought I would say that) but I could definitely survive on it. Celerons and Turions have the speed/wattage issue that kills the purpose of the device. Sticking with ARM is definitely a step in the right direction. So keep doing this. <3
Really I can see why many people here would complain about the Booklet. This is a place where linux heavy first adopters and tinkerers frequent. The Booklet is not really for us here, it is mainstream fare.
I had a 770, I still use my N810 almost daily, but I am not a linux guy by any means. I am just a power user who tinkers a little. (I was the guy who first made the ATHF startup screens) I would never look at this Booklet to replace my N810.
However I have been in the market for a netbook or laptop as a secondary more portable PC for home...specifically for the wife and kid to use so I can actually get on my home PC. The Booklet fits the bill perfectly, a netbook with extras and Windows 7...with Nokia E series design and build quality. I have been waiting for a compelling netbook to come out and am pleasently surprised it came from Nokia.
Does this mean we will be seeing hot-swapable SIM cards in our phones soon too? I am walking along with my N900 in my pocket ready to receive calls, get where I am going and swap the SIM card to the Booklet to logon to email and then move it back again?
Could the 12 hour battery life mean Intel's Pine View Atom chips?
