One point I would draw from this analogy is that it would be a mistake to try and merge any of the three together. They perform their roles best when they are separate.
Agreed, with a caveat: separate but cross-referential.
Speaking as one who has lived with an independent DJ for 30 years, talk.maemo.org ain't no independent record store. It's virtually run by Nokia, a major label.
From my experience with Maemo, Microb sucks. It is actually one of the reasons that I gave up on Maemo in the first place. For an OS that powers supposed 'INTERNET Tablets', it's awful. The last version of Opera that we had several OS' back was better by quite a bit. When I use the new one, I'll have the opportunity to change my experience. People have opinions, and we're free to express them.
Thanks for your helpful post which outlines why microb "sucks" so well. It will really help us fix the problems and issues with microb in the future.
Speaking as one who has lived with an independent DJ for 30 years, talk.maemo.org ain't no independent record store. It's virtually run by Nokia, a major label.
The analogy wasn't about ownership so much as target audience. I mainly meant the indie culture you get in small specialist shops, which is very similar to the culture on here.
But regarding the ownership: maemo.org was originally 100% Nokia, but more and more of it has been handed over to the control of the community. I don't know what the percentage is now but it's going down all the time.
Just to give an example, when I did the tablet school site in 2007 I got an email from a Nokia employee saying they'd added me to the maemo.org aggregator. When I emailed Nokia last week asking about whether our unofficial Maemo site could be added to the maemo.org aggregator, they replied that they no longer controlled the aggregator and that I'd have to go through the community channels.
Maemo.org was originally 100% Nokia, but more and more of it has been handed over to the control of the community. I don't know what the percentage is now but it's going down all the time.
Just to give an example, when I did the tablet school site in 2007 I got an email from a Nokia employee saying they'd added me to the maemo.org aggregator. When I emailed Nokia last week asking about whether our unofficial Maemo site could be added to the maemo.org aggregator, they replied that they no longer controlled the aggregator and that I'd have to go through the community channels.
On top of that, it's the community that is deciding who is being sponsored to go to Maemo Summit. Nokia's giving the community more and more control over things... so I don't think the analogy is really quite right.
Speaking as one who has lived with an independent DJ for 30 years, talk.maemo.org ain't no independent record store. It's virtually run by Nokia, a major label.
Ah, yes, the conspiracy theories again. Always productive.
But regarding the ownership: maemo.org was originally 100% Nokia, but more and more of it has been handed over to the control of the community. I don't know what the percentage is now but it's going down all the time.
maemo.org is 100% in community hands. Period. End of story.
That said, some Nokia employees are members of the community, but their participation is based on that, and not the fact that they're Nokia employees. The conspiracy theorists seem incapable of wrapping their heads around this concept, however, so they see any active participation from these members as Nokia controlling the community.
This, unfortunately, caused Quim to step down from his moderator position. A very unfortunate lose precipitated by a handful of very petty people.
Just to give an example, when I did the tablet school site in 2007 I got an email from a Nokia employee saying they'd added me to the maemo.org aggregator. When I emailed Nokia last week asking about whether our unofficial Maemo site could be added to the maemo.org aggregator, they replied that they no longer controlled the aggregator and that I'd have to go through the community channels.
X-Fade is the one in charge of processing Planet requests. There's a nice little link on Planet you can click to request aggregation.
Turns out it isn't microb at all-- it's hardware bottlenecks on the devices (hopefully corrected on the N900).
It's a combination of both, actually. MicroB is partition hobbled by slow hardware combined with very demanding websites and web technologies, but it's also a function of the very old version of Firefox 3 that MicroB is based on being utterly inefficient at nearly everything.
But that, of course, has very little to do with the competence and capabilities of the managers, architects and engineers involved in the product. Which is why saying "MicroB sucks" with no further qualifications or information is useless and harmful.
Ah, yes, the conspiracy theories again. Always productive.
Just to set the record straight (no pun intended), the original analogy being commented on was only meant to be about target audiences, not ownership.
In terms of which crowd each site is aimed at I think the analogy works pretty well. Whoever owns it, maemo.org has many of the same kind of followers and functions as an indie record shop, and as such it has a reason to exist separately from Forum Nokia and m.n.c.
