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    Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

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    Bobbe | # 521 | 2009-08-31, 18:29 | Report

    Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
    Understood, but I tend to avoid those situations.

    Different use cases for different users to be sure. It remains to be seen how much negative impact Nokia's MMS decision will have on N900 launch success.
    I wouldn't bet on 'not much' here. Regarding the target demographic you mentioned, Texrat, wouldn't that basically (also) be a similar market to that of those who purchased an iphone? Not necessarily cheap on purchase, but heavy on monthly fees because of a data plan? And weren't those the same people who nagged about sms for a full year and a half, so much that they had to eventually put it there in the end? Shouldn't Nokia have learned from that?

    I honestly don't use mms as a rule of thumb, but I end up using it from time to time because of other people's phones not being able to get e-mail. The problem is not necessarily that we don't have a feature that a R$30 phone has. I get the paradigm change. The problem is not being able to send a picture to that R$30 phone, cause it won't have any other way of getting it. That's what nags users, including (IMHO) those who purchase the N900. To have a phone that does wonders, but doesn't handle the simple. Kinda agree that it should be available on launch, even if not technically justifiable. It's not about 'technically justifiable', I believe. It's about people's perspective on it.

    At least that's what it seems to me to be happening here.

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    ysss | # 522 | 2009-08-31, 18:32 | Report

    Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
    So if I am 40 something, am I in or out of the target demographic?
    yes, if you're not here =P

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    Texrat | # 523 | 2009-08-31, 18:34 | Report

    Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
    So if I am 40 something, am I in or out of the target demographic?
    It's been a while since I saw the workup on this.

    But I'm 48 and I'm in it. These tend to be heavily-matrixed anyway. Nokia loooves matrices.

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    Texrat | # 524 | 2009-08-31, 18:36 | Report

    Originally Posted by Bobbe View Post
    I wouldn't bet on 'not much' here. Regarding the target demographic you mentioned, Texrat, wouldn't that basically (also) be a similar market to that of those who purchased an iphone? Not necessarily cheap on purchase, but heavy on monthly fees because of a data plan? And weren't those the same people who nagged about sms for a full year and a half, so much that they had to eventually put it there in the end? Shouldn't Nokia have learned from that?

    I honestly don't use mms as a rule of thumb, but I end up using it from time to time because of other people's phones not being able to get e-mail. The problem is not necessarily that we don't have a feature that a R$30 phone has. I get the paradigm change. The problem is not being able to send a picture to that R$30 phone, cause it won't have any other way of getting it. That's what nags users, including (IMHO) those who purchase the N900. To have a phone that does wonders, but doesn't handle the simple. Kinda agree that it should be available on launch, even if not technically justifiable. It's not about 'technically justifiable', I believe. It's about people's perspective on it.

    At least that's what it seems to me to be happening here.
    Again: MMS won't be there at launch. Surely enough hints were dropped to indicate this isn't a permanent showstopper...

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    zerojay | # 525 | 2009-08-31, 18:40 | Report

    Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
    So if I am 40 something, am I in or out of the target demographic?
    That depends. Do you have a Unix beard?

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    SD69 | # 526 | 2009-08-31, 18:46 | Report

    Originally Posted by zerojay View Post
    That depends. Do you have a Unix beard?
    gawd no. Let's not reignite the Unix wars but I am more of an east coast AT&T type than a Berkeley type (except for the music).

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    benny1967 | # 527 | 2009-08-31, 19:15 | Report

    Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
    So if I am 40 something, am I in or out of the target demographic?
    I'm 42, and Peter At told me I'm in. (Which, of course, could still mean you're actually too young... )

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    luca | # 528 | 2009-08-31, 19:29 | Report

    Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
    So if I am 40 something, am I in or out of the target demographic?
    Yes, because you should have stopped sending mms about 25 years ago

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    jalladin | # 529 | 2009-08-31, 19:30 | Report

    Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
    Objection, Your Honor! Assumptions!



    Objection! "Good to know" expresses bias and a negative attitude. (And as a personal remark, based on what I've seen... the opposite would be "good to know" for me )

    Hey Benny,

    what exactly were you getting at with this comment...


    if its what i think it is i'm glad to see i'm not alone here

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    Boke | # 530 | 2009-08-31, 20:47 | Report

    May I ask, if it's a kernel issue, why is android able to send MMS?

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