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    Using mobile phones (like the N900) for in-car navigation to be illegal in Australia

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    overfloat | # 31 | 2009-09-25, 02:31 | Report

    Originally Posted by trollo View Post
    The problem you seem to have here is you're trying to redefine "use" to get the outcome you want. At first by narrowing it down, then when you're told you can't do that, by stretching it. You can't do that.
    I'm not trying to redefine 'use' at all - it is a very vague term, that's my point.

    If you want to get very technical and anal about it, which you apparently do...

    "looking at anything that is in the phone."

    Read that sentence again and tell me what 'in' means - I highly doubt that this is a direct quote, even though you happily presented it as one.

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    RipTorn | # 32 | 2009-09-25, 03:30 | Report

    Originally Posted by trollo View Post
    It's an agreed amendment to the Australian Road Rules - Victoria's just (apparently) the first to implement it.
    I'm pretty sure the local governments can still ignore rules if they choose, hell the NT had unlimited speed limits on the Stuart Highway for years before being enforced by their local government.

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    RipTorn | # 33 | 2009-09-28, 12:07 | Report

    This has spread to NZ?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/29...e-illegal-Govt

    Bloody iPhones

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    BouncingBob | # 34 | 2009-09-29, 11:20 | Report

    At least in NZ they have an amendment to allow phones to be used as Satnav devices, courtesy of a clued up politician (I know, contradiction)

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    Canterbury | # 35 | 2009-09-30, 20:52 | Report

    heres some questions you could pose to your transport minister...Common sense prevails - looks like the iphone crowd helped in its amendment

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    trollo | # 36 | 2009-10-15, 22:14 | Report

    Originally Posted by overfloat View Post
    I'm not trying to redefine 'use' at all - it is a very vague term, that's my point.
    You may not be aware of it, but you are definitely trying to do that. Any vagueness you see here is a product of your desire to exclude from the term "use" something that people would ordinarily understand to be "using" the device.

    Originally Posted by overfloat View Post
    If you want to get very technical and anal about it, which you apparently do...
    What you describe perjoratively as anal is me interpreting the law based on actually being a practicing lawyer in the country where the law was passed. It's not a matter of being anal, it's a matter of having the training to know how statutes are interpreted by the courts and applying that to the words in the statute.

    Originally Posted by overfloat View Post
    "looking at anything that is in the phone."

    Read that sentence again and tell me what 'in' means
    Again, it's an ordinary word. Perhaps it will assist you if you read in the word "stored" in front (for illustration - don't assume the resulting sentence means exactly the same as that in the statute).

    Originally Posted by overfloat View Post
    - I highly doubt that this is a direct quote, even though you happily presented it as one.
    I would suggest you go and look at the amendment before you start throwing around accusations that I am being dishonest. Google will find it.

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    Last edited by trollo; 2009-10-15 at 22:24.

     
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