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    epz | # 1 | 2009-10-04, 01:48 | Report

    I know the N900 has 256megs 768megs swap and 32gigs of storage.

    Reading the reports im not clear if the swap is just a partition on the 32gig storage or a separate type of (hopefully) storage.

    Whenever I setup a linux distro I much prefer to dynamically add the swap i need it by building a number of big empty file on / and formatting/mounting them as swap

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    GeneralAntilles | # 2 | 2009-10-04, 02:02 | Report

    It's a partition on the internal 32GB eMMC:
    • 768MB of swap
    • ~2GB of ext3
    • Rest as FAT32

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    Jack6428 | # 3 | 2009-10-04, 10:15 | Report

    Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
    It's a partition on the internal 32GB eMMC:
    • 768MB of swap
    • ~2GB of ext3
    • Rest as FAT32
    hey that's great..2GB for apps? i like that alot..now i will be able to install not only apps but games too

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    solideogloria | # 4 | 2009-10-04, 10:25 | Report

    Originally Posted by Jack6428 View Post
    hey that's great..2GB for apps?
    2b - Operating system

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    epz | # 5 | 2009-10-04, 10:28 | Report

    cheers, looks like i will be doing some repartitioning, i would normally be slightly worried about a large amount of writes to an ssd but you can get a full kde desktop under 256 apparently since the qt4 rewrite

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    Corwin_bg | # 6 | 2009-10-04, 12:44 | Report

    Originally Posted by epz View Post
    I know the N900 has 256megs 768megs swap and 32gigs of storage.

    Reading the reports im not clear if the swap is just a partition on the 32gig storage or a separate type of (hopefully) storage.

    Whenever I setup a linux distro I much prefer to dynamically add the swap i need it by building a number of big empty file on / and formatting/mounting them as swap
    Keeping the swap on the large memory card means less overall wear, as the writes will be spread across the whole card.

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    GeneralAntilles | # 7 | 2009-10-04, 16:09 | Report

    Originally Posted by epz View Post
    cheers, looks like i will be doing some repartitioning, i would normally be slightly worried about a large amount of writes to an ssd but you can get a full kde desktop under 256 apparently since the qt4 rewrite
    It's an eMMC, actually. But modern flash isn't really all that prone to write failure. Especially if you don't fill it up completely.

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    spock | # 8 | 2009-10-04, 16:40 | Report

    Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
    It's an eMMC, actually. But modern flash isn't really all that prone to write failure. Especially if you don't fill it up completely.
    I'm not sure that's right. Modern flash is worse at cycling, and it's only getting worse as the lithography drops. Corwin was correct, spreading the writes across the whole card will significantly enhance the endurance, provided that it is actually done properly.

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    Milhouse | # 9 | 2009-10-04, 18:39 | Report

    Originally Posted by spock View Post
    I'm not sure that's right. Modern flash is worse at cycling, and it's only getting worse as the lithography drops. Corwin was correct, spreading the writes across the whole card will significantly enhance the endurance, provided that it is actually done properly.
    Seems to me that Corwin and GA are both right... the flash memory will wear level using free space, fill it up and wear levelling won't be so efficient (which is pretty much what GA is getting at). Mind you as long as the kernel implements TRIM the flash memory should be kept in good shape.

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    attila77 | # 10 | 2009-10-04, 19:16 | Report

    Free space (especially considering fragmentation and FAT) does influence it, but not directly. The eMMC works 2+ levels below the filesystem, it has no idea which parts does the FS consider 'empty' - but it doesn't have to know that to work ! Think about it this way - whether a block (from the FS aspect) is empty or not has nothing to with how many times it was overwritten in the past. It's better to move a newly written block to a long-time (FS wise) *occupied* block, if it was rarely rewritten in the past - and move the contents of that (apparently inactive) block to one that has a higher wear level. Now, you might think 'hey, but then it's not just a write, but a read, too, speed is going to suffer !'. Well, there are tricks for that, too - you can do this relocation *in advance*, anticipating writes, when the device is inactive (so, when you have nothing better to do, copy a few rarely used blocks (full or not) to new (high wear) places, and then mark the originating blocks as next up for writing. Lots of magic happening there under the hood. So much in fact, that if you start micromanaging your flash you actually have good chances of making things worse than if you did nothing special (as that's what the system was designed for )

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