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2009-10-12 , 13:50
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Originally Posted by rm42 View Post
Why would you dislike that Nokia made Qt available with the LGPL? Besides, Nokia did not impose it. You can still use Qt to create GPL only apps for free. Are you saying that paid Qt licensing is no longer available for creating closed source apps? That is news to me.
Sorry, that was probably a misunderstanding. - I'm not sure if I used the word "impose" properly.
What I wanted to say was that Nokia insisted that Qt would also become available under the LGPL.That it's responsible for that move.

I don't believe in the LGPL. It's an inadvisable license for various reasons, mainly because it allows cherry-picking: use a LPGL'ed framework as a base, but don't make your own work available under a free license afterwards. I believe that if somebody wants to create proprietary code, they should also have to use proprietary code as its base - and pay for the right to do so. The old Qt licensing scheme (both GPL and commercial license, but nothing in between) wasn't all that bad.

(I certainly didn't want to say that it's no longer available under the commercial license; I haven't heard of such a change.)


But all this is highly theoretical because GTK has been LGPL all the time, anyway. It's just that in a perfect world I'd hoped for GTK to go GPLv3 rather than Qt downgrading to LGPL.
 
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Hey I was running KDE before KDE was cool
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One big reason I picked Ubuntu is because of the debian package system. If I move to another distro, it will be one that has the same package management system.
I understand. I hated running into dependency problems with Red Hat back in old days. Things are much better these days. I have not run into any dependency problems with Fedora at all in the last two years, since I started using it. Fedora uses a new package manager called KPackagekit which works rather well and is very fast. Also, PCLinuxOS uses aptget/Synaptic with RPMs with excellent results. I have been using PCLinuxOS for about 4 years and I have not had any trouble whatsoever with dependencies. I think that more important than the package format used is the person doing the packages and maintaining them. I would advice you not to limit yourself unnecessarily.
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Originally Posted by benny1967 View Post
It's just that in a perfect world I'd hoped for GTK to go GPLv3 rather than Qt downgrading to LGPL.
Gotcha, and I agree. But, in today's reality, I think the move to LGPL was the best thing to do.
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i don't get the whole anti-MS religion or the dislike of mono/novell, i am interested in OS not FOSS, and find it odd that people need to get their knickers in a twist over what i see as a non-issue.
I see it largely as a matter of perspective. Each person will focus on different things. Each of us having our personal preferences and different opinions is a good thing. We also each have different life experiences to draw upon.

People who have not been on the receiving end of Microsoft's ruthlessness will probably not focus on that aspect of the discussion. However, to ignore the fact that MS is a ruthless organization is, in my experience, unwise.
 
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The main reason I don't like Gnome is precisely because I dislike its file dialogs. I can't stand not being able to rename files from within those dialog boxes
Nice! As a current Gnome user who hates not being able to rename files from the file dialogs, I look forward to the change
 
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I guess I'm a little out of step with most Linux uxers here. I run CentOS and never use KDE or Gnome. Hated both from the start - too much like Windoze. If I wanted something like Win I wouldLnt have installed Linux. For the last 9 years I've used a customized. simplified Fluxbox. I'm old-school.

I can't take using KDE apps and have nothing KDE installed. Gnome is installed, I never log into it but I do use a few Gnome utilities.

Anyway, point is Nokia/Maemo going to Qt has nothing to do with my desktop and will have zero influence on my choice of distro when I reinstall in a few years
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I see no point in this discussion.
As these of you whom willing to try KDE & before someone starts to complain about KDE speed, try this before using it.
Code:
prelink -Ram
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I see no point in this discussion.
As these of you whom willing to try KDE & before someone starts to complain about KDE speed, try this before using it.
Code:
prelink -Ram
Are you a Gentoo user?
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Are you a Gentoo user?
Hard to say... My major daily tasks nowdays is on Archlinux ( ). Still , Gentoo is having a special place in my heart (The best for my old boxes).
Add to that for friends, I usually install ubuntu on my successful converted targets.

After all, I consider myself more of Archlinux guy.


Edit: What I said about Gentoo sounds bad (Like trash) -"Best for my old boxes". What I meant that Gentoo is good for tweaking.
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