Texrat | # 211 | 2009-10-18, 18:06 | Report

Bugzilla, bugzilla, bugzilla.

EDIT: what I mean is that Bug reporting is an even better road to karma.

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qgil | # 212 | 2009-10-18, 18:13 | Report

rafanto I see your point but please see ours: normally these programs are for developers. Considering other types of community contributors is already unusual, but then taking into account community activity out of maemo.org is even more tricky. No system is perfect. Perhaps a solution is to contribute to the internationalizetion of maemo.org so e.g. other languages would have own blog planets and etc? There is a proposal in the Brainstorm about this and is there with only half dozen of votes.

Exceptions, transfers, special arrangements... please arrange them yourselves. You really want us to concentrate in th work we have to do. We have done our part sending the invitations to the contributors in the "norm". Thankyou again for your understanding.

Texrat | # 213 | 2009-10-18, 18:37 | Report

As a former quality assurance guy it makes me nuts that people keep pressing for perfection from imperfect beings, without understanding cost.

Everyone complaining about the "cracks" in this program needs to take a course in QA-oriented statistics. You'll come away more appreciative of the process.

Master of Gizmo | # 214 | 2009-10-18, 18:53 | Report

Before asking for a localized keyboard i strongly suggest that you try to get your hands on a demo unit and switch the keyboard layout the in the preferences.

I e.g. did this to see how the german layout would be. Since they really assign seperate keys to the umlauts, e.g. the cursor keys are reduced to two and e.g. "up" is "shift+down" (if you ever had a commodore 64 you know what i am talking about).

I personally don't like the german keyboard and am glad the ones they gave out at the summit have english keyboards.

You've been warned!

benny1967 | # 215 | 2009-10-18, 19:38 | Report

Maybe they're not pressing for an unreasonable amount of perfection. Maybe they have a different view of what perfection would be, of when it would be reached.

Part of the discontent I read in this thread could come from the fact that people have very different perceptions about the purpose of this program. (Just a hypothesis... it's how I read some of the negative posts here.)

I'm not really sure myself, I have to admit.

I come from the old N810 days when we read this announcment:
and this blog post:
(emphasis added)

So for me, ever since these days in Oct 2007, it was crystal clear that whatever device program comes next, it would not be a developers program (unless stated otherwise, as for example with the Fremantle Stars). This was my expectation, and whatever I read since, I read and understood in this context. (BTW, I had also expected since Oct 2007 that karma would be the indicator for the next device program.)

I was 100% sure about this and couldn't understand why some opposed karma as a valid (and agreed upon) indicator... It wasn't a developer-program anymore, was it?

Re-reading this thread and more recent material now, especially this:
... plus the title of this thread (where the word "developer" suddenly is back), I'm no longer sure. Was I wrong in the first place? Was I the only one who had wrongly read the recent announcement in the context of the old device programs?

The bottom line is: Some may see imperfection only because they thought the whole thing was created to reach a different goal. Coming from the "Note that we have removed the word “developer” to make it clear..."-past, I don't see imperfection in the way it's handled. Not at all. Quite on the contrary, I see it successfully addressing a lot of the issues people had with all previous programs because those were tied to the Nokia online stores.

It all boils down to... communication.

And yes, karma isn't 100% perfect. May I quote Quim:
(emphasis added)

So I don't see much use telling the Maemo team @Nokia that karma could be re-calibrated... They know, we know they know, and solutions are already being discussed.
(Discussing it, though, automatically means evaluating tasks people do for/in the community. What's more important: A bug report or a blog post? How many thanked posts should be equal to one ported application? ...? It should be clear from the start there'll be never consensus on this.)

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Texrat | # 216 | 2009-10-18, 19:46 | Report

Benny you certainly raise some valid points about the program communications. But the complaining I see tends to be specifically targeting a 'slighted' developer of choice per complainant. That was my focus.

benny1967 | # 217 | 2009-10-18, 19:53 | Report

You're right, actually my post didn't really answer yours... - It discusses a different aspect of the whole thing. Sorry... You know how brains work...

I should edit my post and delete the reference to yours to make that clear now, but that would delete the 2 thanks I got so far... And I'll never do anything that's bad for my Kar-maaaaa!!!!

Hogwash | # 218 | 2009-10-18, 20:02 | Report

It's not the same thing at all. You are suggesting that the individual offer the discount, not Nokia. The discount is already proffered from Nokia, I am simply suggesting that it be allowed to be redirected.

It's just an idea. It's no skin off my shin either way. Quim makes a very fair point about not wasting Nokia resources on any effort other than development...I'm happy to leave it at that.

rafanto | # 219 | 2009-10-18, 20:09 | Report

Bugzilla on the old platform (os2006,os2007,os2008)because I have only 770 & n810 I share with other student friends


first I have expressed my thoughts because I have a karma +200 but because I follow maemo since 2006 and I love this OS and devices.

Being a student does not have a budget to buy a N900 (not even with the discount if the final price is € 450 so it is not a personal statement)

qgil | # 220 | 2009-10-18, 20:42 | Report

fwiw the topic reads "developers and contributors" and there are many non-developers that got the email invitation.