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allnameswereout | # 121 | 2009-10-23, 17:28 | Report

Your point was already known, as its already discussed in this thread/brainstorm/wiki...

buurmas | # 122 | 2009-10-23, 18:55 | Report

I would love to get Math Drag'n (aka Symbolic Equation Manipulator) working b/c I don't know of any other free program that allows manipulating equations via drag-and-drop (very useful!). This program works better when you have lots of screen space as it typically has two or three panes open at once, but I hoped it would at still be usable.

Originally Posted by fms View Post

You are right, and I have been incorrect. The PackRat shows Jalimo only in their own repo:

http://ageofikon.info/packrat/index....ection=&Repo=0

Using my N810, I clicked on the install icons for both the bottom two options and the install failed. It said it was unable to find the package file. I looked at the repository it had added to the Application Catalog and it had a blank distribution field. This page has the proper Application Catalog settings for older versions of Maemo (no mention of Maemo 5). When I corrected that I was able to see three Jalimo examples, but not Jalimo itself. Apparently that requires Red-Pill mode.

Not exactly something that's going to get widespread acceptance.

javispedro | # 123 | 2009-10-24, 14:12 | Report

Originally Posted by buurmas View Post

Not exactly something that's going to get widespread acceptance.

As a user you're not suposed to install Jalimo itself. An app using it will pull it automatically.

As I said, Jalimo solves the "developing on Java for Maemo" issue, not the "full Java SE" nor Java ME issue (unless you consider their PhoneME efforts)

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fms | # 124 | 2009-10-24, 15:51 | Report

Originally Posted by buurmas View Post

I would love to get Math Drag'n (aka Symbolic Equation Manipulator) working b/c I don't know of any other free program that allows manipulating equations via drag-and-drop (very useful!).

Try the SlideRule - it will simplify equations for you and let you take derivatives, symbolically. It will also make calculations with ratios.

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mikec | # 125 | 2009-10-25, 16:58 | Report

Originally Posted by srk052004 View Post

Guys, while this is an interesting conversation, allow me to provide a perspective that differs from the dominant one here. I am a manager and a statistician. I would like to run a top-notch PIM suite like Datebk5 from Pimlico Software, just as I ran it when on the Palm. If I can't do that, I'd like to run Agendus or Pocket Informant (in that order), as I can on both Blackberry and Windows Mobile. (I currently use WM and Pocket Informant.) Datebk5 will be available on Android fairly soon. Obviously, the iPhone tends to get most everything.

I could live with an N900 that did not do push email (and it does not, last time I checked), but an N900 that does not have a really top-notch PIM is something I could not live with. The Palm had, when I last checked, a mediocre native PIM and WM currently has an atrocious one. But that's why there was demand for software to provide these capabilities.

If you want to know something about the high-end market, you will find some of that market among people like me who are former Palm users and who want efficient, intelligent design.

The maemo concept and the N900 are magnificent. However, until you guys can implement some of the key functionality available 8 years ago on the Palm, I could never take the risk. Specifically, I would need a top-notch PIM, a really competent turn-by-turn travel mapping program that would reroute if a stop was missed, an app that would give me subway routing (e.g. Metro), and a text editor & spreadsheet that would not corrupt the MS files (OO does indeed corrupt them, at least OO on Linux, but Documents to Go does NOT corrupt them). I would want as well a database program like HanDBase and ideally a List Manger program, though HanDBase could be used to create one. I would need a secure "wallet" program and a top-notch travel program (I mourn for my old Travel Tracker, which has now been ported to the iPhone). ALL of this functionality was available 8 years ago on the Palm. I personally got this functionality on a Palm T3 and used BT to get wireless access from either a GSM phone or from a Verizon phone after hacking it. The functionality is also now available on both BB and WM platforms, and on the iPhone.

I get the impression that such usage has never crossed the minds in the N900 group. Note that while most iPhone users do not use all these apps, they are available for the iPhone because they are ESSENTIAL for some of us.

Thanks guys. I don't mean to be loud here, but there really does seem to be a disconnect.

P.S.: It looks like I'll be moving to the Storm2 from a two-year-old WM device. iPhone is out of the question because of AT&T's really crummy service.

Hi srk052004
The N900 does provide push email, either with Nokia Messaging or Mail for Exchange. Both are pre-installed on the N900

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fms | # 126 | 2009-10-25, 17:03 | Report

Originally Posted by srk052004 View Post

The maemo concept and the N900 are magnificent. However, until you guys can implement some of the key functionality available 8 years ago on the Palm, I could never take the risk.

Well, this thread is about Java support and you are asking for a specific PalmOS application to be ported to Maemo. I assume it is not written in Java, so Java support is not going to help you there.

Originally Posted by

I get the impression that such usage has never crossed the minds in the N900 group. Note that while most iPhone users do not use all these apps, they are available for the iPhone because they are ESSENTIAL for some of us.

As I understand, the applications you are talking about all came from third parties, i.e. not from Palm itself. So, it is probably wrong to assume that Maemo Devices (group inside Nokia that works on Maemo) is supposed to provide you with them for free. On the other hand, if you and a thousand or two other users are willing to pay for such applications, somebody will make them for Maemo sooner or later. Before that happens, you are welcome to check the default PIM and Maps apps that come with N900.

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qole | # 127 | 2009-10-25, 21:25 | Report

Please stay on topic, guys. "PIM on N900 sucks" has nothing to do with "Java for Maemo 5", except for the oblique reference to Dalvik apps being ported to N900 if it had a good JVM.

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fms | # 128 | 2009-10-25, 22:04 | Report

Originally Posted by srk052004 View Post

qole, that "oblique reference" was my whole point here: a good JVM would make development of various killer applications for the N900 easy enough that developers who are not convinced about Maemo would stil find it so easy to port to it that some at least would.

Mmm...doubtful. First of all, Maemo is already pretty easy to develop for. Secondly, having Java support is not going to help any there, as your original PalmOS apps are most certainly not written in Java. Having Java mostly helps running existing Java apps.

mikec | # 129 | 2009-10-25, 23:08 | Report

Originally Posted by srk052004 View Post

qole, that "oblique reference" was my whole point here: a good JVM would make development of various killer applications for the N900 easy enough that developers who are not convinced about Maemo would stil find it so easy to port to it that some at least would.

Just to recap, The debate got to a point of not whether Java is good to have or not, BUT what flavour of Java would be best to focus on. Please make your vote in the Brainstorm.

http://maemo.org/community/brainstor..._to_fremantle/

Mike C

javispedro | # 130 | 2009-10-25, 23:30 | Report

Originally Posted by mikec View Post

BUT what flavour of Java would be best to focus on. Please make your vote in the Brainstorm.
http://maemo.org/community/brainstor..._to_fremantle/

Well, all the choices there are talking about Java ME. So no choice of flavor there.