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Nelson L. Squeeko | # 11 | 2009-10-14, 03:55 | Report

I doubt Maemo will hit the number of apps to compete with the iPhone or Android, however, like has been mentioned before, Quality over Quantity. The iPhone may have 75000 apps, but is an app that has no function other than eye candy really an app?

Bubble wrap popping? Pouring beer out of a pitcher? Those apps are good as a one-off application, but really serves no purpose. Sure, there are some excellent applications for the iPhone/Android, but you can't look at those numbers for comparison of a quality experience.

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pycage | # 12 | 2009-10-14, 06:55 | Report

Originally Posted by Nelson L. Squeeko View Post

Bubble wrap popping? Pouring beer out of a pitcher? Those apps are good as a one-off application, but really serves no purpose.

They do serve a purpose. Milking cash from the strategically dumbed down ringtone generation.

Either through price or through ads.

osfight.de | # 13 | 2009-10-14, 19:17 | Report

Originally Posted by pycage View Post

They do serve a purpose. Milking cash from the strategically dumbed down ringtone generation.

Either through price or through ads.

These apps are IMHO partially freeware. So it is entertainment, like youtube, facebook or porn, whereas the purpose is always questionable.

Originally Posted by

Sure, there are some excellent applications for the iPhone/Android, but you can't look at those numbers for comparison of a quality experience.

Having Android apps available does not exclude quality Maemo apps, it even adds qualtiy Android apps en total.
And yes, I wont even use more than ten apps regularly, but it must be my decision to choose if I wanna do something useful or pour beer from a pitcher.

jahf | # 14 | 2009-11-08, 23:22 | Report

110% echo the replies here. Here is my background:

* Current iPhone 3G user who is hating the locked environments (even jailbroken it is a mess)

* User of the N770 and N800 pads since they came out, though not anymore.

* Android-envy

Nothing would scream "my perfect device" like a Maemo phone that had API-level Android capabilities (I don't care about having the Android desktop nor the dialer/etc ... I just want apps) AND a working J2ME compatibility story (no Swing == not working with a ton of J2ME apps ... I "get" why no Swing, and I prefer SWT, but it hamstrings the java story).

One or the other will probably sway me to stick with Maemo. Neither means I will seriously evaluate the phone but likely will return it. I'm no longer an embedded Linux professional (I worked on it professionally for a few years back when the 770 first came out) so I have very little -work- justification for spending that much time fiddling around with my phone. I want the -ability- but I also want the convenience of a large base of pre-made apps.

Again ... most of the folks I read about don't care that this isn't a true native Android phone ... we just want access to apps. Even if we can't get on the Google app store it would be a huge benefit to be able to run those apps. Unless I am mistaken, Google apps are not limited to -only- going through the Google store. Similarly we don't want a Java phone ... just a Linux phone that can run J2ME apps.

I almost hopped on the OpenMoko bandwagon a couple of years ago but in the end the iPhone's apps won out. The N900 is closer-enough that I'm considering a switch. But I'm also about 50/50 on going with a Droid phone instead for now.

Bratag | # 15 | 2009-11-08, 23:53 | Report

Originally Posted by jahf View Post

110% echo the replies here. Here is my background:

* Current iPhone 3G user who is hating the locked environments (even jailbroken it is a mess)

* User of the N770 and N800 pads since they came out, though not anymore.

* Android-envy

Nothing would scream "my perfect device" like a Maemo phone that had API-level Android capabilities (I don't care about having the Android desktop nor the dialer/etc ... I just want apps) AND a working J2ME compatibility story (no Swing == not working with a ton of J2ME apps ... I "get" why no Swing, and I prefer SWT, but it hamstrings the java story).

One or the other will probably sway me to stick with Maemo. Neither means I will seriously evaluate the phone but likely will return it. I'm no longer an embedded Linux professional (I worked on it professionally for a few years back when the 770 first came out) so I have very little -work- justification for spending that much time fiddling around with my phone. I want the -ability- but I also want the convenience of a large base of pre-made apps.

Again ... most of the folks I read about don't care that this isn't a true native Android phone ... we just want access to apps. Even if we can't get on the Google app store it would be a huge benefit to be able to run those apps. Unless I am mistaken, Google apps are not limited to -only- going through the Google store. Similarly we don't want a Java phone ... just a Linux phone that can run J2ME apps.

I almost hopped on the OpenMoko bandwagon a couple of years ago but in the end the iPhone's apps won out. The N900 is closer-enough that I'm considering a switch. But I'm also about 50/50 on going with a Droid phone instead for now.

The problem I see here is that you think that Android is an any way like J2ME. Its not - what it is is a customized JRE with a VERY cutdown java base. There are some very good descriptions on this website of the problems with Android,

allnameswereout | # 16 | 2009-11-09, 01:35 | Report

Originally Posted by jahf View Post

Nothing would scream "my perfect device" like a Maemo phone that had API-level Android capabilities (I don't care about having the Android desktop nor the dialer/etc ... I just want apps) AND a working J2ME compatibility story (no Swing == not working with a ton of J2ME apps ... I "get" why no Swing, and I prefer SWT, but it hamstrings the java story).

One or the other will probably sway me to stick with Maemo. Neither means I will seriously evaluate the phone but likely will return it. I'm no longer an embedded Linux professional (I worked on it professionally for a few years back when the 770 first came out) so I have very little -work- justification for spending that much time fiddling around with my phone. I want the -ability- but I also want the convenience of a large base of pre-made apps.

Again ... most of the folks I read about don't care that this isn't a true native Android phone ... we just want access to apps. Even if we can't get on the Google app store it would be a huge benefit to be able to run those apps. Unless I am mistaken, Google apps are not limited to -only- going through the Google store. Similarly we don't want a Java phone ... just a Linux phone that can run J2ME apps.

I almost hopped on the OpenMoko bandwagon a couple of years ago but in the end the iPhone's apps won out. The N900 is closer-enough that I'm considering a switch. But I'm also about 50/50 on going with a Droid phone instead for now.

If you are interested in:

Java SE on Maemo 5
Java ME on Maemo 5
Dalvik on Maemo 5

See the thread Java on Maemo 5 where community has looked into the options.

The result of this is:

Current state of affairs written on Java entry on Maemo wiki.

The following 2 Brainstorm entries:

Please feel free to contribute! Vote, provide proposals, update current state of affairs, etc.

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Tiptronic | # 17 | 2009-11-09, 14:44 | Report

Should be possible with linux.

jahf | # 18 | 2009-11-11, 16:56 | Report

Originally Posted by Bratag View Post

The problem I see here is that you think that Android is an any way like J2ME.

Actually no, I don't

I know I'm making 2 different requests. Both address a different segment of the "I want apps" need. I'm familiar with both markets ... either of which would be extremely valuable for different things.

titan | # 19 | 2009-11-11, 20:04 | Report

Originally Posted by osfight.de View Post

High five for Android execution environment!

unfortunately, that project seems to be dead.

Erminaz | # 20 | 2009-11-24, 00:03 | Report

Originally Posted by titan View Post

unfortunately, that project seems to be dead.

Too bad. What do you think about this Project: http://sandohq.com/index.php