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2009-11-15 , 14:18
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Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
I'm pretty sure we will see some manufacturers coming up with virtually full covering displays, rather soon. And many will like this development. But well, the device sides will still be free for keys.
Yes, that seems to be the fad of the moment, sort of like the Motorola Razr from long ago. And, in retrospect, how is the UI of the Razr regarded??
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2009-11-15 , 14:18
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I can understand the d-pad for gaming purpose, but since I'm not really that interested in gaming with handset, I personally think I would prefer something like in this 5800.

Three narrow buttons would, in my opinion, look good there and would also be easy to use.

And to make everything perfect: they would be easy to configure so you can have call answering and ending puttons there if you want, but also something completely different (go to dashboard, start an application etc).
 
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2009-11-15 , 14:25
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Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
Yes, that seems to be the fad of the moment, sort of like the Motorola Razr from long ago. And, in retrospect, how is the UI of the Razr regarded??
I'm sorry, but your analogy makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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2009-11-15 , 14:32
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Originally Posted by chrisp7 View Post
Perfect form factor...
(v badly photoshopped)

Skip tracks quickly, move around using the dpad, and brilliant gaming experience.. Beat that iphone.

Why on earth is the dpad on the right side? Anyone that plays videogames knows the dpad is always on the left. >.>
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2009-11-15 , 14:47
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Originally Posted by ragnar View Post
I'm sorry, but your analogy makes no sense whatsoever.
Allow me to clarify. To defend against a reasoned argument against the removal of buttons by saying "manufacturers coming up with virtually full covering displays" and that "many will like this development" sounds like fad is your counter-argument. The analogy is that many also liked the Razr and many manufacturers sought to come up with similar models.
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2009-11-15 , 15:14
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Ok, what about the camera key itself? Is there a keycode or is that button hal-only too?
No, I'm afraid I can't see any events for the shutter button nor the camera lid. So I guess those must be detected using HAL somehow...
 
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2009-11-15 , 15:23
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man View Post
Why on earth is the dpad on the right side? Anyone that plays videogames knows the dpad is always on the left. >.>
I think that with the use of the accelerometer this can be a "no problem".

If you don't like the right side dpad just do a 180 degrees rotation and the dpad magically goes on the left.
 

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2009-11-15 , 15:28
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Originally Posted by SD69 View Post
Allow me to clarify. To defend against a reasoned argument against the removal of buttons by saying "manufacturers coming up with virtually full covering displays" and that "many will like this development" sounds like fad is your counter-argument. The analogy is that many also liked the Razr and many manufacturers sought to come up with similar models.
Ok, that part was fine.

I got confused by your "And, in retrospect, how is the UI of the Razr regarded??" argument. It wasn't ever about the UI of the Razr - I don't think anyone ever really praised it - but more about the new form factor: thin clamshell.

Now, many companies copied the thin clamshell. I wouldn't say that there wouldn't be thin clamshells now or in the future, but yes, most weren't able to copy the success of the Razr like that.

Still, I don't think it's a very good analogy. Nobody has come out with a full front display yet, so saying that it would be a fad or not - or that it's just copying some existing idea - is rather hard at this stage.

But I could write a bit more about the HW button issue in general in some better time.
 

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Still, I don't think it's a very good analogy. Nobody has come out with a full front display yet, so saying that it would be a fad or not - or that it's just copying some existing idea - is rather hard at this stage.
Not full, but manufacturers are already starting to have such large displays and small bezels that there is not enough room for front HW buttons. And I read in user-oriented reviews quite often the desire for full displays in what seems to me as a faddish kind of way. Sort of the way laptops used to be fawned over for how large the display was, until some people stepped back and questioned whether other aspects such as a battery life, always-connected paradigm, were important as well.


But I could write a bit more about the HW button issue in general in some better time.
Thanks for your comments. Looking forward to hearing more at better time. And perhaps we can talk in a constructive way if future versions of Maemo should support and enable HW buttons.
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Thanks for your comments. Looking forward to hearing more at better time. And perhaps we can talk in a constructive way if future versions of Maemo should support and enable HW buttons.
I feel often the the discussions about buttons get sidetracked - preference of touch/button input has a significant subjective component, but the really important thing is how the UI relates to physical input. (not) having buttons does not make it good or bad - it's the harmony of available physical input and UI that make the user experience good or bad.
 

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