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Laughing Man is offline Laughing Man
2009-12-07 , 01:59
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#41
Originally Posted by jjx View Post

So it does not look, from the outside, as though they lacked coding capacity to implement the simpler omissions. Rather, it looks like the Maemo team(s?) don't have so much experience in phone UIs, what works well for a wide variety of people with different needs, what's expected from a phone and such. (Just see my earlier post about needing to have different ringtones for a specific situation of shift work sleep while having to respond to vulnerable family/friends - something that nobody would consider unless they've been in a situation like that).

That experience with phone UIs is something Nokia ought to be able to transfer over from the Symbian UI people as Maemo develops further, assuming they continue with their plan and upgrade Maemo to the "serious" level

Actually they could take a few leaves out of Sony-Ericsson's book too - seriously. I had a K850i, and though it's nothing like as sexy as the N900, it had a lot of subtle little UI touches that made it easier to use than identical features on S60 phones. Some really smart UI designers there.
I think that's what happened too. The people working on Maemo have more of a mobile computer oriented view so they built that side first then focused on the telephone stack. But they left out most features people are used to in a phone (the lack of ringtone per contact puzzled me too).

But it's something they can work on later now that most of the core OS is ready and just needs whatever bugfixes are found. Yes, they were able to build slightly from the previous Maemo OS but in reality each one is pretty different from the other, it's not like the iPhone version upgrades [as far as I know]).
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karmicguy is offline karmicguy
2009-12-07 , 03:04
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#42
I also wonder why with all those years of producing world class phones that Nokia didn't deliver the N900 with telephony features equivalent to its S40 and S60 platforms from the start. As of now, there are better options for those who need a reliable and full-featured phone.The N900 has a lot of great features, but the phone one is not world class at this point. Will future firmware upgrades address these deficiencies? Your guess is as good as mine.
 

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2009-12-07 , 03:21
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#43
You all have to chill. Accept that the N900 is not a standard phone. If the features that are missing in the N 900 is crucial to you, I a suggest you return it and get the phone that meetd such a need.
 
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2009-12-07 , 04:15
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Originally Posted by etuoyo View Post
Lol. Nokia phones have been doing it for about 10 years now. Which makes it even more shocking that this device doesn't have it. It is very very important to me (have like a 100 ring tones). Want to know when it is my wife calling or whether it is a friend I can ignore. Bought the phone in faith that it is something so basic there is no way the feature will not be added in the future. I hope I am right otherwise I will be quite pissed off with Nokia.
I can't seem to find the function on my nokia 2720...

At any rate, while i find this feature convenient, I don't find it neccessary. I've done without it on a crappy phone, I can deal without it on a great mobile computer with a crappy phone built into it :-)
 

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2009-12-07 , 23:09
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I also would like to have different ring tones for groups (I'd like even to have group feature too...) or single contacts.
I've just come in the N900 world from a "good old" SonyEriccson phone, and I'm discovering I've lost many features I supposed every phone currently has (ring tones, day-names in Agenda, a clear ToDo list, LED used as torch, easy connection between phone calls and SMS receives, zoom if numbers are too small to see, GPS not linked to a wireless connection,...)
Anyway I hope and wait for firmware update and new software...
Bye
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mcdull is offline mcdull
2009-12-08 , 20:43
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Originally Posted by x61 View Post
You all have to chill. Accept that the N900 is not a standard phone. If the features that are missing in the N 900 is crucial to you, I a suggest you return it and get the phone that meetd such a need.
Too many people came to N900 expecting it's a full-featured phone, rather than considering it's evolved from N700/N800 internet tablet which can't even make a phone call.

Anyway I do wish it can do voice dialing in later firmware for safe driving
 
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2009-12-08 , 23:14
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Originally Posted by mcdull View Post
Too many people came to N900 expecting it's a full-featured phone, rather than considering it's evolved from N700/N800 internet tablet which can't even make a phone call.

Anyway I do wish it can do voice dialing in later firmware for safe driving
Well if they have been able to produce quality full-featured phones for over a decade I don't think it was too much to ask to port the features from even the most basic of their current phones instead of going back like 10 years in the past.
 
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2009-12-08 , 23:36
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Originally Posted by kwotski View Post
Given that the phone application is a (presumably fairly thin) interface sitting on top of a full-featured API, I really wonder why Nokia don't open it (the phone application, that is) and let Darwinian selection show them what people actually want. When they've got so far with the benefits of open, this seems a particularly ground-scraping fruit.

Is there a good reason for it to remain closed? I admit I don't really understand how the various components of the ui are hooked up, or how easy it would be for someone who's written an alternate phone app to get it to work as a drop-in replacement for the provided one.
To be honest, i don't really understand either.
The reason for making some parts closed-source is to hinder cheap chinese knock-off by making them actually do some work.
Giving us some headers to link against and make our own phone apps wouldn't have defeated that goal: the chinese would have needed to re-implement everything anyway.
So, why is everything a secret?
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2009-12-08 , 23:49
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Originally Posted by Rcampbell View Post
Yes but can the Seimens C55 do everything else the N900 does?
aha it's funny when people say

"Oh can it do what the N900 does?"

"Oh, isit capable of doing what the N900 does?"

Well with so many statements like that, it seems like the N900 isn't capable of anything.
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2009-12-09 , 00:11
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Originally Posted by God View Post
aha it's funny when people say

"Oh can it do what the N900 does?"

"Oh, isit capable of doing what the N900 does?"

Well with so many statements like that, it seems like the N900 isn't capable of anything.
You are the reason I'm agnostic.
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