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2007-04-03
, 14:50
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@ Twickenham, UK
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#42
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Sorry if someone else already got this idea, but I don't have time to read all the thread right now and I am sure I'll forget it.
So as we can see, Konqueror is working fine. Wouldn't it nice to have it extracted, hildonized and used as an alternative browser for the n800 ?
Somewhere I've also seen Firefox on the n800 (may be it was when peguinbait tried to port WM?) as far as I can remember.
Anyway...having Konqueror (instead or together with) Minimo would be really nice!
What do you guys think.
So as we can see, Konqueror is working fine. Wouldn't it nice to have it extracted, hildonized and used as an alternative browser for the n800 ?
Somewhere I've also seen Firefox on the n800 (may be it was when peguinbait tried to port WM?) as far as I can remember.
Anyway...having Konqueror (instead or together with) Minimo would be really nice!
What do you guys think.
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2007-04-03
, 15:07
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@ Fishers, Indiana
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#43
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Originally Posted by penguinbait
I'm guessing the apparent lack of interest is two-fold: big distro size and the "what's in it for me?" angle, respectively. That, and we got off to somewhat of a rocky start with the theme/matchbox shutdown problems. I really am excited about it though, and I'm already compiling information on what does and doesn't work (Hildon apps) in KDE. I use it on a daily basis and I'm still amazed and thrilled at how fast it is in comparison to the Maemo DE. For Linux newbies they may not even know what KDE is or appreciate its potential. I hope we don't ruffle feathers if we try to recruit people, because it really is a great DE. No "Hildon-ising" needed either. The biggest problems I've run into are related to input and to a lesser extent screen size. To have the virtual keyboard pop up on any text field is a killer feature that is sorely missed, and having to bring xkbd up and "steer" it around so it's not blocking the text field you're filling in isn't much fun.
Just curious, whos using KDE? Is anyone else besides Jim and Larry?
Don't get me wrong I am not discounting Jim and Larry, I am just wondering if anyone else has installed it and is playing around?
Post some screenshots, or tell us what you like or hate
At any rate, I think if we could make a installable deb for it that would help, though obviously it would need to make sure space was present on the SD/MMC card and warn the user if bootmenu wasn't installed. What do you think penguinbait? Incidentally, did you make the changes to the stopmaemo script mentioned in message #39? That's the cleanest way to do it since it's how the OS handles figuring out the theme, we're just sourcing their code. It'd also be nice to have a "startmaemo" script that's a option for the shutdown menu in KDE to get back to Maemo without rebooting. Shutting down KDE and then running the three af-xxx init scripts works fine to get it started manually, so it wouldn't be difficult.
Larry
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2007-04-03
, 16:00
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@ Michigan, USA
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Originally Posted by lbattraw
I did make note of it, and would definetly make that change if I put out a new version. I agree 100% with you Larry. I have no interest in porting anything to hildon, and I am sure Hildon developers feel the same way about KDE. That being said the giant KDE tarball I put out, could stand to be trimmed down, remove some things that dont work add others to make them work. I really like what I have done so far, but understand, this was a direct ./configure, make, make install. I may have jacked some makefiles along the way, to get things to compile, some some applications even though installed will never work properly. I am not a developer, the reason, I have created a openbox environment and KDE environment on N800 was so I could compile ( already made) software I wanted to use without having to learn how to program. I do not want to do away with Hildon, there have been lots of good ideas there, I want to co-exist with hildon, but have real solid WM alternative. I agree 100% that I would love to have the virtual keyboard pop up everytime I needed, but I can not program that or anything else. So we wait, keep track of things and hopefully some developers will come on-board and stir things up.
I'm guessing the apparent lack of interest is two-fold: big distro size and the "what's in it for me?" angle, respectively. That, and we got off to somewhat of a rocky start with the theme/matchbox shutdown problems. I really am excited about it though, and I'm already compiling information on what does and doesn't work (Hildon apps) in KDE. I use it on a daily basis and I'm still amazed and thrilled at how fast it is in comparison to the Maemo DE. For Linux newbies they may not even know what KDE is or appreciate its potential. I hope we don't ruffle feathers if we try to recruit people, because it really is a great DE. No "Hildon-ising" needed either. The biggest problems I've run into are related to input and to a lesser extent screen size. To have the virtual keyboard pop up on any text field is a killer feature that is sorely missed, and having to bring xkbd up and "steer" it around so it's not blocking the text field you're filling in isn't much fun.
At any rate, I think if we could make a installable deb for it that would help, though obviously it would need to make sure space was present on the SD/MMC card and warn the user if bootmenu wasn't installed. What do you think penguinbait? Incidentally, did you make the changes to the stopmaemo script mentioned in message #39? That's the cleanest way to do it since it's how the OS handles figuring out the theme, we're just sourcing their code. It'd also be nice to have a "startmaemo" script that's a option for the shutdown menu in KDE to get back to Maemo without rebooting. Shutting down KDE and then running the three af-xxx init scripts works fine to get it started manually, so it wouldn't be difficult.
Larry
Maybe this is another thread, but is matchbox a window manager, since everything has to be full screen, should it be called a screen manager? I am still completely bewildered why they would give us all that real-estate and then lock us down. Matchbox on perhaps a 320x240 would make sense, but on 800x480 cmon, multiple windows is very useable.
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2007-04-04
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#45
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Could someone tell me a little more detailed how to install this? I have root access, and extracted the entire tar to the directory kde on my SD card. Was that the wrong progress? I extracted the tar using a windows zip handler (not using the mentioned shell command from the device).
If it's correct to just extract the entire archive to a directory on my card - what is the next step?
I assume execute a file in /media/mmc1/kde/?
If it's correct to just extract the entire archive to a directory on my card - what is the next step?
I assume execute a file in /media/mmc1/kde/?
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2007-04-04
, 15:51
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@ Fishers, Indiana
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Originally Posted by GeeZuZz
Actually it's a little more detailed than that. You really need to have your entire OS copied to the SD (for bootmenu support here http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=4053), then extract the KDE tar to the root (/media/mmc1 in your case). Make sure you do this all on the device (or use a Linux box) to ensure the permissions and links are set up properly. Please check out http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ead.php?t=5474 and follow the instructions carefully. You need to use the default theme as well or otherwise KDE won't start properly. Oh, and don't forget to erase that /media/mmc1/kde directory
Could someone tell me a little more detailed how to install this? I have root access, and extracted the entire tar to the directory kde on my SD card. Was that the wrong progress? I extracted the tar using a windows zip handler (not using the mentioned shell command from the device).
If it's correct to just extract the entire archive to a directory on my card - what is the next step?
I assume execute a file in /media/mmc1/kde/?
Larry
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2007-04-04
, 22:24
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Joined on Mar 2007
@ Germany
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Originally Posted by lbattraw
Nice work Larry,
I use it on a daily basis and I'm still amazed and thrilled at how fast it is in comparison to the Maemo DE.
I'm more than amazed -- more like incredulous. Can you give us startup times of some common apps you use? Memory footprint?
Originally Posted by lbattraw
I run into problems with KDE apps at 800x600. I don't see how you're running them at 800x480. What is the solution to windows that require more than 480 height?
The biggest problems I've run into are related to input and to a lesser extent screen size.
Arnim
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2007-04-05
, 15:31
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@ Michigan, USA
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Originally Posted by ArnimS
Well there is no solution, but you can use kpager and move the windows up and down to get to the whole window. If its a game or something, it makes it not that useable, but lots of programs work fine in KDE.
Nice work Larry,
I'm more than amazed -- more like incredulous. Can you give us startup times of some common apps you use? Memory footprint?
I run into problems with KDE apps at 800x600. I don't see how you're running them at 800x480. What is the solution to windows that require more than 480 height?
Arnim
Not done a lot of time testing,
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2007-04-05
, 19:32
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@ Fishers, Indiana
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Originally Posted by ArnimS
I can't really accept any credit aside from helping debug a startup script. Startup of KDE itself is a little slow, but it's ameliorated a bit by the nice animated progress screen showing each component.
Nice work Larry,
I'm more than amazed -- more like incredulous. Can you give us startup times of some common apps you use? Memory footprint?
Times:
- 20 to logo/progress screen
- 60 to desktop
- 76 to panel bar
- 90 to full startup
Originally Posted by ArnimS
The real issues are with the control panel. Usually I'll just tab a few times once the selection highlight is off the visible items and hit enter or just hit enter on a input field, which works on some options screens like konqueror. Other than that it hasn't been too bad at all. My biggest annoyance is that KDE seems to expect a single mouse press for a lot of situations like starting an application on the desktop; more than that it in slightly different positions makes it think you want to move it or something, which is exactly what you get with the stylus. I've started using the keypad to select and start applications because otherwise they may not start. I'm sure there's some way to tweak the length of time between multiple click events before they're considered separate clicks but haven't looked into it.
I run into problems with KDE apps at 800x600. I don't see how you're running them at 800x480. What is the solution to windows that require more than 480 height?
Arnim
Ok, I've saved the best for last. For whatever reason KDE understands the .desktop files Hildon/Maemo uses; it even gets the icons right sometimes! It's just a matter of linking/copying the .desktop file of your favorite Maemo app to the /home/user/Desktop directory and you're good to go. Very nice when you don't want to switch back and forth.
Larry
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2007-04-07
, 12:39
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@ "Almost there!" (Monte Christo, Count of)
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A quick question about this KDE port that I believe hasn't come up yet: Is it possible to rotate the screen layout to portrait with KDE?
I don't have a Linux environment handy where I'm typing this, so I cannot check whether KDE is in fact capable of performing this magiks.
I don't have a Linux environment handy where I'm typing this, so I cannot check whether KDE is in fact capable of performing this magiks.
Don't get me wrong I am not discounting Jim and Larry, I am just wondering if anyone else has installed it and is playing around?
Post some screenshots, or tell us what you like or hate