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2010-01-15 , 19:59
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#81
Kathy, I do that on my blog sometimes using just the method you show, making sure to attribute the quotes. It's not THE solution but it's A solution... for those few reading anyway.

Oh, and based on your growth here you can now call yourself Rev E Kathy. (yeah, yeah, I know that's not the original meaning )
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2010-01-15 , 20:00
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That's quite a bit more in depth than I was thinking. I was pretty much ignoring the complaints about "noise" on the mailing because.. to me.. even the "noise" is the community.

All I thought was needed was a medium that makes forums posts from the mailing lists.. and sends emails to the mailing list from forum post. (something like NNTP I think) No need to filter anything because as far as I'm concerned it all the community. Mailing list people love their mailing lists because they can filter ... well.. filter "Orange Box". *shrug*

I really don't think we need something that would nearly be someone's full time job just so a handful of people on either end of the spectrum can keep their special 'tools'.
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Originally Posted by dneary View Post
Are we all on the same page about what "community discussions" means?

There are a number of things it could mean:

1. A talking shop where everyone gathers
2. A workplace where anyone can look in & see what people are working on
3. A forum for interacting with Nokia
4. A forum for interacting with the council & maemo.org staff

These are all very different - for example, if you use a forum as the primary contact point for interacting with Nokia, I would question how effective that'll be. If you want a place where anyone can trace what people are working on & ask questions if they're not getting enough information, or join in if they have the time, energy & ability, then the mailing list is that. If you want a talking shop, then there will always be people who opt out, regardless of whether it's IRC, a mailing list or a forum. And if it's a place for the entire community (by the way, is there anyplace where I can find the entire Maemo community???) to interact with the council & the staff, again, I'd question how effective that would be, especially since people appear to have issues with both the high volume and low SNR on forum threads.

So - penguinbait, if I may, what activities *exactly* do you want to see happen in the community forum? Some illustrative examples might help.

Thanks!
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Relaunching the Wiki Action Group
Scheduling of Sprint Meetings
Sprint task: Refine the karma system
Maemo community calendar events project
#maemo IRC cloaks
Suggested colour change for visited links
Brainstorm: useful?
A business case for Maemo

and many more

These kinds of things are what causes problems like in the past. Where a whole new color sheme is decided for the forums and nobody knows its coming, because it happened on the mailing list.

This is the one reason I ran for council, and was asked to run for council.

The more people who get involved in these discussions the better the community will be.

At the same time, all the people who say they will not use the forums are already missing discussions.

Community translations of Maemo software
Maemo Community outreach programs
Maemo Greeters Pilot
Poll: Is it time to re-structure talk.maemo.org ?
Developers wanted for paid freelance
Unicode Preferences Election
Fosdem 2010

and many more. Imagine if we all started working together what could be accomplished.
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Originally Posted by penguinbait View Post
These kinds of things are what causes problems like in the past. Where a whole new color sheme is decided for the forums and nobody knows its coming, because it happened on the mailing list.
I just have to point out.. this was the reason I left the forums several months ago.

Not because of the change.. but because there appeared to be no notification or discussion of it.. and after it happened - there didn't seem to be any acceptance in at least providing an option for the "old" layout to those of that that preferred it. Reggie most excellently fixed the latter part (all I use is the dark theme), but unfortunately after I had had enough.

Now I finally understand where that came from...
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#85
Originally Posted by penguinbait View Post
The more people who get involved in these discussions the better the community will be.
I'm gonna reword that:

"The more people who contribute constructively and help move these discussions forward the better the community will be."

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Originally Posted by fatalsaint View Post
I think the point being made is that having a single, consolidated access point into community discussions as a whole is more important than a couple individuals that refuse to participate.
It's more than a couple, and the contributions of those individuals have been invaluable over the past 5 years. Not people I would write off lightly.
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Originally Posted by lemmyslender View Post
If only other community members would be willing to sacrifice a little for the sake of the community like Kathy. Instead of taking her toys and going home.
An interesting position to take, beyond talking on these forums, where have you been contributing to the community?

You do realize, though, that a number of these people are paid contributors whose time I'd rather not see wasted browsing Talk for hours a day.

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I'll go out on a limb and say that anyone that flatly refuses to make a some sacrifices for the good of the community communication isn't really interested in the community communication to begin with.
I'd go out on a limb and say that inconveniencing others for your own benefit isn't a particularly productive way to encourage community communication.
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Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post
It's more than a couple, and the contributions of those individuals have been invaluable over the past 5 years. Not people I would write off lightly.
And I don't think you're seeing my specific position on the matter. I agree that people shouldn't be discarded.. as long as there is someone willing to host a forum, and a mailing list.. you can have both. I don't really agree shutting one or the other down is a good idea.

What I do believe though, is there should be an official communication channel. If that is chosen to be the forums.. then anybody who chooses not to participate on the forums is opting not to be heard (by the majority, and officially) unless they hire themselves a relay.

I'm not saying they need to browse all day and keep up on these threads, or even participate in the pissing contests.. however if the people you're talking about (paid contributors and what not) have an opinion or suggestion on something to improve or whatever.. and they can't be bothered to make a single thread or post about it.. then it doesn't really seem as if it's that important to them. Evidently, not using the forum, a very useful tool for a very large portion of the community - is more important than whatever issue they are trying to raise.

Understand though.. that this works the other way. If the mailing list would be selected as an official channel - then if someone cares to say something important they can do so through the mailing list. If they can't be bothered to set that up.. then it's obviously not that big of a deal.
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Here's one example of a great support thread of someone being paid by Nokia and yet using the forums effectively:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35136

The mailing list would not have worked on this case.
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Originally Posted by yerga View Post
1) Leave everything as is. Very easy.
2) Synchronize the forum with the mailing list and viceversa.
I don't believe 2) can really work. different media work differently and form that that's the reason a chose a certain one for a specific task(mail,irc,forum).

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