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2007-05-07 , 03:47
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#21
Originally Posted by lavo View Post
Yes, I can buy one over the Net, but if it fails my warranty will be next to useless...
Welcome to how I felt when I bought my Zaurus SLC-3000 new.

That's the way things tend to work globally.

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Milhouse is offline Milhouse
2007-05-07 , 04:43
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Originally Posted by YoDude View Post
Doesn't China require WiFi to incorporate their homegrown, proprietary encryption scheme called WAPI?
This may be stifling the entire Asian market until that is settled, I would think.
According to wikipedia (not necessarily the most reliable source in the world I grant you)

In late 2003, the Chinese government announced a policy requiring that wireless devices sold in China include WAPI support and foreign companies wanting access to the Chinese market would have to partner with one of 11 Chinese firms to which the standard was disclosed. This issue became a point of trade discussions between the then United States Secretary of State Colin Powell and his Chinese Government equivalent. China agreed to indefinitely postpone implementation of the policy.
I guess WAPI conformance could become an issue in future, but doesn't seem to be an issue at this point in time and doesn't explain why Nokia are not marketing Internet Tablets in other Asia Pacific countries such as Australia (bit of a no brainer that one), Japan, Singapore etc. I've no idea if Middle Eastern countries are excluded (they probably are) as are some of the smaller European (mainly Baltic) states.

Perhaps this is merely a consequence of the limited resources that Nokia management are prepared to throw at the Internet Tablet initiative. Hopefully it will be third time's the charm and the N900 will benefit from a truly global launch, perhaps riding on the coat tails of the Intel devices (which will no doubt have the luxury of a big budget gloabl launch from multiple vendors) as a low powered and lightweight alternative.

Edit: Reading further into the WAPI Wiki entry it does appear the WAPI compliance _may_ now be being enforced in China. I guess firms such as Nokia et al (including Intel) will just have to develop (or source) wireless components that comply with both ISO WiFi encryption standards and also Chinese WAPI standards. Either that or lose access to 6 billion potential customers.
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lavo is offline lavo
2007-05-07 , 06:15
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#23
Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
I guess WAPI conformance could become an issue in future, but doesn't seem to be an issue at this point in time and doesn't explain why Nokia are not marketing Internet Tablets in other Asia Pacific countries such as Australia (bit of a no brainer that one), Japan, Singapore etc. I've no idea if Middle Eastern countries are excluded (they probably are) as are some of the smaller European (mainly Baltic) states.
Australia is a no brainer? We don't have wifi here? The little hamsters in the treadmills can't run long enough to create the electricity needed to power a wifi router?



I don't understand what Nokia does sometimes. They are quite happy to sell phones here, but don't want to sell the N800 as well
 
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2007-05-07 , 06:30
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Maybe because of this

http://spluch.blogspot.com/2007/05/d...iar-nokla.html

that Nokia is avoiding China for the moment?
 
Milhouse is offline Milhouse
2007-05-07 , 06:43
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Originally Posted by lavo View Post
Australia is a no brainer? We don't have wifi here? The little hamsters in the treadmills can't run long enough to create the electricity needed to power a wifi router?
Sorry, what I meant was that *not* marketing the N800 in Australia makes no sense - it's an English speaking country, English is a supported language, the Nokia infrastructure is in place, there are no technical encumbrances (such as WAPI) to trade... it really beggars belief that Australia is not a supported country. It's a no brainer for Nokia to roll out the N800 in Australia (not forgetting NZ too) - what's there to stop them?
 
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2007-05-07 , 14:32
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I checked out the demonstration on the intel MID running midinux. I must say the speed is impressive. But the look of the device is fugly. I mean not even a mother could love that thing. And the interface looks like a rip off of nokia internet tablet maemo. As of right now, I would not buy one of these thing. I need it to be the form factor of the 770, or at least the N800. There's no way I'm carying something that big. Oh and it better cost as little as an N800. I bought my N800 brand new for 279 US dollar.
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2007-05-07 , 15:05
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
As far as I could see, the text input is restricted to yet another virtual keyboard (crap!), or else the HWR is so bad the video wouldn't show it.
Hey Karel,

I've asked the maker of the video whether HWR was "included". The answer was, as usual: "the specific device showing here has a physical keyboard. the hardwriting recognition feature will be provided by some 3rd party vendor." (with the errors ).

Really... don't they understand that mister lambda really wants to interact with its tablet like if it was a sheet of paper with dynamic things?
 
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2007-05-07 , 21:30
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Originally Posted by Nikooo View Post
Hey Karel,

I've asked the maker of the video whether HWR was "included". The answer was, as usual: "the specific device showing here has a physical keyboard. the hardwriting recognition feature will be provided by some 3rd party vendor." (with the errors ).

Really... don't they understand that mister lambda really wants to interact with its tablet like if it was a sheet of paper with dynamic things?
My take on things is: They do, but they're too lazy to make something that actually works for a change.

Basically we're all dumbasses for keeping on buying this lame sh*t.
 
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2007-05-08 , 00:53
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Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
Sorry, what I meant was that *not* marketing the N800 in Australia makes no sense - it's an English speaking country, English is a supported language, the Nokia infrastructure is in place, there are no technical encumbrances (such as WAPI) to trade... it really beggars belief that Australia is not a supported country. It's a no brainer for Nokia to roll out the N800 in Australia (not forgetting NZ too) - what's there to stop them?
Maybe Nokia are working on the widespread Wifi theory, that there are a lot more open hotspots in the US and Europe than in Australia. Or maybe because the NGauge bombed so badly here that they are not game to try another device.
 
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2007-05-08 , 02:58
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I really don't know, but what I do know is that Nokia are peddling the N95 smartphone in China (and the rest of the Asia Pacific region) and the N95 has standard WiFi (no WAPI) so really there is no hardware reason NOT to market the N800 over there.

Incomplete software (no Chinese language support) and/or marketing budget limitations are the only reasons I can think of now.
 
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