thats like soccer in the USA its pretty boring to us.

They killed Optimus! Those bastards!!!!

Well. Kudos to Nokia for not polluting the airwaves and keeping a low profile while at the same time being moderately successful. I always disliked the attention whore approach. I would like to test-ban all advertising globally for 5 years and see what happens when this damn toothpaste smile finally disappears and the advertized turds lose their polish.

"Do you know that most people read ads about things they already own? They don’t read things to buy them, but to feel reassured that they have already bought the right thing." - Marshall McLuhan

The only ads I really like are offbeat, funny ones, and I rarely buy the product.

some people have not been to the drags for a long time we now make around 8500bhp now days in top fuel and yes that is eight thousand five hundred bhp.

This kind of stance probably explains why Nokia has as much mindshare as Neonode in the US.

If you don't advertise - or let's just not hold words back here... if you don't have conventions, if you don't have advertisements on the net/web, if people will complain about bloggers (who are described as journalists somehow) and their sites, Linux/Slashdot lovers hating Flash... then how do you get your word out? Whitepapers? Word of mouth? Hope the core group of fans spread the word?

There's a major disconnect between most people and how a product is recognized outside of your core groups. Such a disconnect that if Nokia pulls out of the American market like they did in Japan; I will not be surprised. Especially given how some people are so anti-everything it seems.

No adverts. No Flash. No GUI. No anything but what they (being the complainers) want.

Yeah. That'll work. Remember Openmoko? That worked out real well for them. Open source, no ads, no push to the market, no future.

meh. Adverts can be effective in introducing a product before it comes out. After it comes out, time to stop. That's my stance.

That type of deal/price exists on 99.9% of all other phones over here, but just not the N900. For the N900, all we get is a carrier called T-Mobile, which has the sparsest coverage of any of what would be considered the "major carriers" here in the US. You can also use AT&T, but no 3G so it basically cripples the device being described as a mobile computer.

For this reason I can understand why Nokia wouldn't advertise it, and also understand why no one (except for those of us who are already Maemo/NIT fans) are talking about it over here.

-- Chris

I don't know about the mindshare thing, Nokia has been given many references in popular culture. You can't accomplish this by being a no-name. On the other hand, being parodied is usually a signifier of being yesterdays news.


I agree that Nokia didn't make the transition from "cuboid" like Sony or Microsoft to "spherical" like Google or Apple yet. But unlike Microsoft, i believe Nokia still does well and has the potential to make it. Ovi / Maemo may play a key role here, or at least be a step in the right direction, but without proper internal restructuring, which i hope has already begun, i see dark clouds emerging.


What unites all the cuboids is that they were all major players, but now appear sort of paralyzed, too bulky to move, confused and unable to adapt to the new situation, let alone shape new situations through innovation. Of course many mistakes have been made, but considering Nokias history (they even built wheelchairs in the past), and especially when looking at their research department, the worst thing to do is to underestimate or even write off Nokia.


And of course one shouldn't forget the nationalism thing mentioned above. The US is still in a depression, psychologically and financially, so grant them their opium. Even if its just hype-ractive amerocentric journaltainment, the immature kind.

You know what......? The new topic icon is very hard to find for me. Did someone decide to make it almost invisible?
Normally I will try to refrain from criticism unless I am very annoyed but here I am on Maemo website and new topic icon is gone for me 98% of the time.
Who was the person that decided it was ok to prevent me from starting a new topic?
I want to know who it was, and I want to tell him/her to reverse that because despite my occasional inebriated posts I am still part of the community and part of the whole that is trying to make Maemo develop into a good OS.

What part of the mindshare you don't know about? If you want a Nokia product that's not their one of lowest offerings that they basically giveaway, you have to search high and low if you're not in a large city.

Heck, I'm right in the middle of two larger cities - Charlotte, NC and Atlanta, GA are both 140 miles (~225km) away basically - and yet... why would I go that length to just go see/touch/experience a Nokia phone?

I don't see anywhere but on websites - some are even hated by this site it seems - what they're offering, what they're doing... not one billboard, not one advert. Heck, to the layman, they don't even know what's the last version of the N series. Who's fault is that?

That's what I mean by mindshare. Please don't confuse it for anything else but. They don't advertise, they don't do much in the US. It's even worse in Japan - and I used to live there too as well. But in Germany, you can find plenty of shops that have the newest Nokia phones. Hell... the salespeople even KNOW what they're talking about when you ask.

Erm... some fade, some excel. I'll leave the shapes out of it. Keeps it simple. But I don't see how Nokia is evolving outside of it's home territory (Europe). Lack of adverts in North America, lack of adverts in Japan. They need to do something.

I've worked with SE as a consultant... I'd never call them a major anything other than screw-up. The Ericsson portion seems to have never found their stride after Sony took over and they've really never put together too much that set the world on fire. Good solid phones, yes.

But their P series didn't catch on too heavily because they seemed slow... and were slow.

That "nationalism" thing goes both ways... proud of an European company and you're in Europe... yep. Fits too. Remember that.

And as an American... I don't fall into lockstep with any of that crap. Perhaps I've lived overseas too much, but I just don't pull or care for that stuff really. It... just bothers me when people fall into that as an excuse to say "Oh, that's why you like something..."

Guess that's why a lot of Vodafone, Orange and O2 customers were patriotic over an American phone too, eh?

Pfft. I'd just rather have a phone that works, updates properly (Apple does NOT apply here usually) and above all has features that I want... like the use of a forward facing camera and continued support that doesn't leave me high and dry 13 months later (cough*Nokia N810*cough)