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Yeah, we can usually get some discount when we give them that figure. Haha.
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2007-05-17
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We have a one to one initiative at one of our middle schools. Each of the 6th graders got a macbook, so did their teachers. Let me tell you, whatever you get, plan on getting about 20 to 30 hot spares. They beat the crap out of them. The students are pretty hard on them too! I've seen them with broken screens, busted usb ports, cool-aid spilled in them. Too bad they cost so much, but I'd recommend toughbooks.
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2007-05-17
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Originally Posted by barry99705
I'd recommend swapping the kids...
We have a one to one initiative at one of our middle schools. Each of the 6th graders got a macbook, so did their teachers. Let me tell you, whatever you get, plan on getting about 20 to 30 hot spares. They beat the crap out of them. The students are pretty hard on them too! I've seen them with broken screens, busted usb ports, cool-aid spilled in them. Too bad they cost so much, but I'd recommend toughbooks.
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2007-05-17
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So do you guys think its a yes or a no, should we buy a few to pilot?
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2007-05-17
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I'd say a resounding no - even if money is no object.
Sorry to pour cold water, Vinny, but I'd skip on the Nokias as an option for 1:1. I do db support, server management, and app development for a medium (16,000) student school district. I don't spend as much time as I used to doing direct student support, but I feel like I'm still well in touch.
I got a pair -- one of each of the 770 & 800 -- to test for a web app deploy for admins... While I'm in love with 'em, we're moving to a Windows Mobile device. The admins found 'usability' issues with the Nokia tablets. And that was for apps I was tuning for the platform...
For students? No way. No word processor. No powerpoint. Regardlless of my personal patience level, opera isn't IE... And the lack of a PDF viewer that can read "locked" pdfs is going to keep you from most electronic textbooks.
There's an even longer list, but the 15 minutes it's taken me to key this message is another example.
The programs that come with your textbooks will probably only run on windows... or the vendor web sites that won't be quite right... And, yes, eventually more web sites will welcome non MS bowsers, but we can't force it to happen overnight.
I know you said 'no laptops'... but that's really the only solution i'd seriously look at. I've got a Fourier Nova 5000 demo unit... I'd consider it, but it's heavy, doesn't seem to have good battery life, and looks very elementary school.
10 years from now, I might look at a linux tablet... but for now, you'll be wasting time and money on anything but Windows for an educational 1:1 project in the US. If - and its a big if - the 100 dollar laptop project succeeds, we may see apps for an educational environment on linux, but the big boys will still focus on windows.
oh .. almost failed to mention the risks of putting web cams in students hands... bathroom , behind the coke machine, exam questions... a nightmare waiting to happen.
I'd recommend the Nokia 800 in a heartbeat to a friend... but not to a school for student use.
Sorry, and good luck!
Sorry to pour cold water, Vinny, but I'd skip on the Nokias as an option for 1:1. I do db support, server management, and app development for a medium (16,000) student school district. I don't spend as much time as I used to doing direct student support, but I feel like I'm still well in touch.
I got a pair -- one of each of the 770 & 800 -- to test for a web app deploy for admins... While I'm in love with 'em, we're moving to a Windows Mobile device. The admins found 'usability' issues with the Nokia tablets. And that was for apps I was tuning for the platform...
For students? No way. No word processor. No powerpoint. Regardlless of my personal patience level, opera isn't IE... And the lack of a PDF viewer that can read "locked" pdfs is going to keep you from most electronic textbooks.
There's an even longer list, but the 15 minutes it's taken me to key this message is another example.
The programs that come with your textbooks will probably only run on windows... or the vendor web sites that won't be quite right... And, yes, eventually more web sites will welcome non MS bowsers, but we can't force it to happen overnight.
I know you said 'no laptops'... but that's really the only solution i'd seriously look at. I've got a Fourier Nova 5000 demo unit... I'd consider it, but it's heavy, doesn't seem to have good battery life, and looks very elementary school.
10 years from now, I might look at a linux tablet... but for now, you'll be wasting time and money on anything but Windows for an educational 1:1 project in the US. If - and its a big if - the 100 dollar laptop project succeeds, we may see apps for an educational environment on linux, but the big boys will still focus on windows.
oh .. almost failed to mention the risks of putting web cams in students hands... bathroom , behind the coke machine, exam questions... a nightmare waiting to happen.
I'd recommend the Nokia 800 in a heartbeat to a friend... but not to a school for student use.
Sorry, and good luck!
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2007-05-17
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Good point, AlCrosby. I never thought about the webcam issue. Does anyone have any other ideas about what type of computer to use? Besides the Nokias, that is. And as for the NOVAs, they say they're coming out with an 8 hour battery soon. Contact me if you want my experiences with them.
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2007-05-17
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Originally Posted by alcrosby
I'd say a resounding no - even if money is no object.
Sorry to pour cold water, Vinny, but I'd skip on the Nokias as an option for 1:1. I do db support, server management, and app development for a medium (16,000) student school district. I don't spend as much time as I used to doing direct student support, but I feel like I'm still well in touch.
I got a pair -- one of each of the 770 & 800 -- to test for a web app deploy for admins... While I'm in love with 'em, we're moving to a Windows Mobile device. The admins found 'usability' issues with the Nokia tablets. And that was for apps I was tuning for the platform...
For students? No way. No word processor. No powerpoint. Regardlless of my personal patience level, opera isn't IE... And the lack of a PDF viewer that can read "locked" pdfs is going to keep you from most electronic textbooks.
There's an even longer list, but the 15 minutes it's taken me to key this message is another example.
The programs that come with your textbooks will probably only run on windows... or the vendor web sites that won't be quite right... And, yes, eventually more web sites will welcome non MS bowsers, but we can't force it to happen overnight.
I know you said 'no laptops'... but that's really the only solution i'd seriously look at. I've got a Fourier Nova 5000 demo unit... I'd consider it, but it's heavy, doesn't seem to have good battery life, and looks very elementary school.
10 years from now, I might look at a linux tablet... but for now, you'll be wasting time and money on anything but Windows for an educational 1:1 project in the US. If - and its a big if - the 100 dollar laptop project succeeds, we may see apps for an educational environment on linux, but the big boys will still focus on windows.
oh .. almost failed to mention the risks of putting web cams in students hands... bathroom , behind the coke machine, exam questions... a nightmare waiting to happen.
I'd recommend the Nokia 800 in a heartbeat to a friend... but not to a school for student use.
Sorry, and good luck!
I don't know what you're talking about with only Windows for schools. Our district is 95% Mac, 4.5% Windows, and the rest Linux. That's 33 schools, and around 20,000 students and staff.
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2007-05-17
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Originally Posted by barry99705
Well, Apples have Inkwell, but no tablets (unless you count the homebrew or hideously expensive aftermarket solutions), so they kinda drop out of the OP's initial specs.
I don't know what you're talking about with only Windows for schools. Our district is 95% Mac, 4.5% Windows, and the rest Linux. That's 33 schools, and around 20,000 students and staff.
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2007-05-17
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens
Yea, I guess that's true. Missed that part. Most people can type faster than write, even most middle school kids. As much as I like the tablet idea, I can't see anyone seriously using one for "Office" style apps.
Well, Apples have Inkwell, but no tablets (unless you count the homebrew or hideously expensive aftermarket solutions), so they kinda drop out of the OP's initial specs.
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2007-05-17
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Originally Posted by barry99705
I used to write stories on my Newton MessagePad, and use it for a whole year to take minutes of meetings almost dayly (actually finishing before "the other guy"; the one with the fancy-schmancy laptop).
Yea, I guess that's true. Missed that part. Most people can type faster than write, even most middle school kids. As much as I like the tablet idea, I can't see anyone seriously using one for "Office" style apps.
Of course I can type faster than I write (I'm a touch-typist), but
a) one doesn't always have room to plunk down an entire notebook and
b) I find that handwriting keeps me "closer" to the material.
For students, the latter point might be important. Back when I was still a student (thirty years ago), I experimented with typing out class notes, compared to writing them out and I found that the handwritten material inserted itself better into my brains. Pretty subjective, I agree, but I can't be that unique.
Can I?
