fatalsaint | # 61 | 2009-12-30, 05:06 | Report

I don't see your point..

I do see more people voting to get rid of it in this thread... but I also see quite a few people complaining in the other red pill thread floating around here.

It obviously has caused a problem throughout the past though if it got brought to be removed in the first place. I personally see no benefit to it.. and see only negative. Our opinions differ... so be it.

ossipena | # 62 | 2009-12-30, 06:29 | Report

yes. with red pill you can break your OS just by tapping wrong app to install..

for gods sake, create a script and a icon for it to menu

DISCLAIMER: IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TYPING, BE READY TO REFLASH YOUR DEVICE

first, create a folder to put a file you want installed. for example
xterm:
and then let's create some content to installer.sh
(haven't tested if this works)
and then just modify rights to installer.sh
and icon creation is a task for yourself. this is just a demo what you can do with maemo in 10 minutes (it took about that to write this whole post).

that script will install a deb from folder tbi and copy it to folder habi after it has been installed. so just download a deb to tbi -folder and run the script.

i'd modify the script heavily before really make it execute with no output etc (aka via an icon with no terminal opening) just because it has no instructions what to do if something goes wrong.

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crenquis | # 63 | 2010-01-14, 23:41 | Report

What I miss about Red Pill Mode is that one could see all the packages/libraries/etc installed on the machine and see all the dependencies (not just the few things installed from "extras"). Being able to easily see that information in a GUI makes it easier to understand the system and to figure out what I just hosed when I installed that .deb from the shell....
I also used RedPill to uninstall default programs that I never used e.g. marbles/chess/etc. (although that has become more difficult with the consolidation of several programs under a null package).

allmine1976 | # 64 | 2010-01-30, 13:59 | Report

I had the red pill mode enabled and probably installed around 10 apps only once did it cause a problem to my device which i fixed after a bit of reading . I knew there were risks but i did not care as after all i had just bought a Open devive which i thought meant i could choose to do whatever i wanted with it . Then after the last firmware update i find that redpill mode has been disabled ( imho made the device a little more closed ) and now i have to do something new to me and learn how to use x-terminal install things like rootish which i know nothing about . My point is that there are probably only a few people out there who are going to bother enabling the red pill mode most would probably be afraid of bricking there device so why bother taking away my choice to do what i want with my device in the simpliest way for me . Also how many devices have been bricked ireversably ?
Openess i thought meant choice and now one of my choices has gone .

mrebanza | # 65 | 2010-01-30, 14:05 | Report

i couldn't agree more

Tomaszd | # 66 | 2010-01-30, 14:42 | Report

I scanned the whole thread in search for one reasonable person telling you all that the reason for disabling redpill mode is Ovi Store, but I couldn't find that answer, which is surprising.

So I'm telling you all now, Ovi Store is the reason for removing redpill mode. If you could enable redpill mode, you could then bypass Ovi Store and install applications directly using Application Manager. The argument that it would be too dangerous for end-users is also a valid one, they tend to be more scared of the terminal.

Of course that doesn't stop you from installing apps from the Ovi Store using apt-get, which works just fine (for example run "apt-cache search offscr-*" as root to list all the Ovi Store games) as long as you know the name of the package you want to install. This is great for me, because I can't stand having to log in to Ovi Store every time, click install *again* after getting logged in (why doesn't it ask me to log in first and then show the installation button, what's the point), then sit around and wait while seemingly nothing is happening, then wait for the whole list of repositories to get downloaded again (which takes a long time if you have extras-devel enabled, so if we get 300 apps into Extras it's going to get ugly for everyone), then click Install yet again in the Application Manager... There is absolutely nothing compelling about the experience there, so I prefer the terminal. Want solitiare? Just run apt-get install offscr-solitaire (as root) and be done with it.

Sorry, this is more of an angry rant about Ovi Store than anything else.

GeneralAntilles | # 67 | 2010-01-30, 15:09 | Report

Actually, that isn't really the case. Yes, it's a reason why Red Pill was removed, but it's not the reason. The archives on -developers (and possibly -community) back this up (too lazy to dig, though). It was more community consensus than anything that resulted in Red Pill being removed (talk to Marius).

soleil | # 68 | 2010-01-30, 15:17 | Report

Why do you need redpill modes . I installed a lot of .deb packages but I never used redpill mode

ossipena | # 69 | 2010-01-30, 16:46 | Report

probably zero, but that argument doesn't change a thing. a bit like it is ok to do intentioned hit and run when there is snow as long as nobody gets killed...

yes, openness is about choices, it is not about out of the box apps for every task.
http://maemo.org/packages/view/appinstaller/

that app is a good indication why your pro red pill arguments can't stand the light: UK has done an app that replaces the behind all the menus -hassle and gives the same end result. problem solved, lock the thread.