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2007-06-04 , 02:12
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x86 is nice, but I don't see arm going away anytime soon. It has it's niche. I hope Ubuntu helps to standardize linux on mobile devices. A more unified platform would encourage development, I think.
 
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2007-06-04 , 17:16
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Originally Posted by LordFu View Post
x86 is nice, but I don't see arm going away anytime soon. It has it's niche. I hope Ubuntu helps to standardize linux on mobile devices. A more unified platform would encourage development, I think.
This is why, I think, the Zaurus never really caught on. There are at least 6 different operating environments to choose from. None of them really do everything well. Some are better at one thing than another, but suck at something else.
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2007-06-04 , 18:56
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Originally Posted by sherifnix View Post
With Intels MID platform, I don't see much future for ARM based devices like the N800 unless the standby times on the x86 stuff is really short. No way to know until its out I suppose =)
in which way do you think would a x86-based device have an advantage? or, in other words: how do i as an end user even notice which type of processor is inside my device?
 
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how do i as an end user even notice which type of processor is inside my device?
The big shiny stocker Intel will slap on the case.
 
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2007-06-04 , 20:35
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
So...
- the drivers for the N800's wireless chips are available then?
- Nokia has published the power management specs?
- Linux has magically obtained a usable HWR engine?
- What did I forget?
What are you missing of the power management specs?
I have personally sent on linux-omap the last patch about one month ago. And that was only fixing the first transition to retention ....
You can get a stock kernel from Tony's repository, the linux-omap tree, compile it, flash it and have all the power management you want.

Have you tried it before coming out with such statements?
 
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2007-06-05 , 18:39
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What are you missing of the power management specs?
I have personally sent on linux-omap the last patch about one month ago. And that was only fixing the first transition to retention ....
You can get a stock kernel from Tony's repository, the linux-omap tree, compile it, flash it and have all the power management you want.

Have you tried it before coming out with such statements?
You shouldn't have to go through all those hoops just for usable power management.
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2007-06-05 , 19:06
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I agree with Barry. I'm hoping more of the PM stuff will be exposed in an upcoming release.
 
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2007-06-05 , 21:50
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I agree with Barry. I'm hoping more of the PM stuff will be exposed in an upcoming release.
And how would you like it to be exposed?
An email in your personal mailbox? Subscribe to the ml if you want that.
I can't see it more exposed than being integrated in the public linux tree for omap. That's the reference for every developer.

And there isn't "more", it's already all out. In the standard way.

Like every other patch it requires that people read it. And if something is not clear, there is a ml where things are discussed.

I've heard so many people *****ing that power management is not open, but very few have been wise enough to stop whining and just ask if it's all there and how it works.

Why isn't anybody complaining about the drivers or the DSP gw? They are as open as power management and don't receive any special attention.
 
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2007-06-05 , 21:57
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Originally Posted by barry99705 View Post
You shouldn't have to go through all those hoops just for usable power management.
That's the standard procedure to get the kernel source from a git tree and compile it into a zImage.
 
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2007-06-06 , 00:07
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Originally Posted by Karel Jansens View Post
So...
- the drivers for the N800's wireless chips are available then?
- Nokia has published the power management specs?
- Linux has magically obtained a usable HWR engine?
- What did I forget?
you forget that all these hurdles have been successfully negotiated by GNU hackers with other hardware in the past
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