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2007-05-24 , 14:26
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Yeah, but he gave out supposed details that turned out to be nothing but fluff. I'm torturing you with intentionally vague references to alleged activity. Big difference.
Oooohhhhh....
 
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Heads up: I've alluded to it already but here's the full info. I'm flying to Finland for the first time this Friday to discuss my new promotion and I'll be there a week. I hope to finally meet face-to-face with a few people I've only corresponded with via email, and get an update on the N800.

I cannot guarantee I'll be able to post anything, but I will push to get any info at all that I can release. Of course, Skype and the new OS will be out that week, so I'm already scooped on that one...

Anyway, if I don't get to post much (been going nuts getting ready for this trip) I'll catch up when I can!
 
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Texrat - I would certainly be keen to discover what has happened to the promised official Nokia N800 Case!
 
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Lol... yeah, that is the big one, isn't it?

I'll try.
 
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Lol... yeah, that is the big one, isn't it?

I'll try.
Try???

No disrespect but; What was the point of this thread then?

BTW, the case is a BIG issue for me.

So is the $15,000.00 apparently waisted on giving away the device to the first 500 people who claimed to be developers. How about a list of names and their pledged involvement.

While you are at it how about the folks in the US who waited month(s) for an out of stock Navicore kit only to find out 2 days after it was released on Nokia's web site that Nokia's own distributor was selling it $40 cheaper.

Come on. $40 to drop ship the same device from the same warehouse, using the same methods... please.

I feel that I am looked at by Nokia as a cow teat that can be milked every time they decide to release something that their marketers had already promised.

Will we wait patiently for this case to be offered on Nokia's web site at a $30 price point only to discover it elsewhere for $15?
 
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500 units to developers for $99 euros...

A lot must have taken the thing an ran... If list was $399 then each one saved $300 dollars and I thought for sure they would return the favor by providing back to the community $300 worth of code.
Huh? Are you kidding? Get real. $300 is just few hours of programmer's time in some countries or very few days in others. You really can't do anything substantial in that time. Anything nontrivial and usable by mere mortals takes weeks of work at least. Fortunately most developers who got the discount are not in it for money so you get more than $300 worth of code (i.e. nothing) :-)


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So is the $15,000.00 apparently waisted on giving away the device to the first 500 people who claimed to be developers.
Sorry but that's quite stupid and untrue statement. Opinions can differ but I guess that without that investment the situation with available applications for Nokia tablets and size of developer community would be quite different. There are tons of cool gadgets on the market, much less developers would be interested in N770 or N800 without that discount. I think it was the best investment Nokia made for future of its Maemo platform.
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$300 is exactly 2 hours 35 min. of my time.. (I'm not one of those who received the discount though). I could probably write one or two short good Perl scripts in that time..

(If it wasn't clear from the above: I agree completely with fanoush on this.)
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Originally Posted by YoDude View Post
Try???

No disrespect but; What was the point of this thread then?

BTW, the case is a BIG issue for me.

So is the $15,000.00 apparently waisted on giving away the device to the first 500 people who claimed to be developers. How about a list of names and their pledged involvement.

While you are at it how about the folks in the US who waited month(s) for an out of stock Navicore kit only to find out 2 days after it was released on Nokia's web site that Nokia's own distributor was selling it $40 cheaper.

Come on. $40 to drop ship the same device from the same warehouse, using the same methods... please.

I feel that I am looked at by Nokia as a cow teat that can be milked every time they decide to release something that their marketers had already promised.

Will we wait patiently for this case to be offered on Nokia's web site at a $30 price point only to discover it elsewhere for $15?
The thread was about more than undelivered cases, Yo.

I'm really not sure why you're lashing out at ME here, anyway. All I can do is try... I simply cannot nor will I guarantee anything. I would hope that you could appreciate my position. I will only pass along what I am approved to pass along. I will NOT divulge proprietary or otherwise guarded info, period. Would you prefer I instead brag and throw dates around that were provided by some unnamed third party?

Sheesh. Talk about shooting the messenger...
 
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Originally Posted by fanoush View Post
Huh? Are you kidding? Get real. $300 is just few hours of programmer's time in some countries or very few days in others. You really can't do anything substantial in that time. Anything nontrivial and usable by mere mortals takes weeks of work at least. Fortunately most developers who got the discount are not in it for money so you get more than $300 worth of code (i.e. nothing) :-)




Sorry but that's quite stupid and untrue statement. Opinions can differ but I guess that without that investment the situation with available applications for Nokia tablets and size of developer community would be quite different. There are tons of cool gadgets on the market, much less developers would be interested in N770 or N800 without that discount. I think it was the best investment Nokia made for future of its Maemo platform.
Where than?

Claws, Maemo Mapper, Minimo, and Canola were developed for the 770 without this incentive. Even Ari's recent post about hacks is 770 based. I'm all for the incentive, in fact that is what attracted me to the device. In hindsight though Nokia's money would have been better spent giving a 100 away free to those who produced in the past.

What new, non-commercial apps have been developed for the N800? We all seem to be waiting on apps that would require a subscription fee anyway?

What about Bluetooth profiles, a telephony app, Hildonized apps that can parse office documents?

BTW, you are entitled to your opinion as I am. However, adding that opposing opinions are "stupid" and at the same time deflecting an answer to the original question of my post "What is the point of this thread?" doesn't help much.

I understand that this question could be taken as hostile but that was not my intention. I truly don't understand.

It seems to me that you can be either an advocate or not. Trying to advocate simple means you are not in fact an advocate.

The same goes for the term "Developer". You either "is" or you "ain't". Just judging by the membership roles to all Maemo forums and the actual output, a lot "ain't". It's either that or the device requires more from an average developer than they are willing to invest.

The $15 K number was just my attempt to quantify this deficiency. I don't know what information was required for the discount. If a description or synopsis of what was planned was included, perhaps Nokia could be more transparent and publish what was expected.
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I understand that this question could be taken as hostile but that was not my intention. I truly don't understand.

It seems to me that you can be either an advocate or not. Trying to advocate simple means you are not in fact an advocate.
Okay, you completely misconstrued what I meant by the thread title. Perhaps that originates with me though; I could have certainly chosen a better title and for that I will apologize. However, I still feel like you are overreacting today. If you're going to bash anyone, I'd appreciate it if you'd aim that closer to those NOT trying to bridge the gap between Nokia and this community. Thanks.

FYI, the title was meant in a much broader sense than you interpreted. It wasn't just about development. It is about being a general advocate for the tablet platform and its potential. Perhaps "evangelist" would have been better, but that would have probably stirred up more of the "Nokia suckup" allegations I try to dispel.

Even though my role has changed, I will still do everything in my power to promote the tablet to this community, and this community to Nokia. Odd, then, how I'm only catching fire from one side. Perhaps that is my fault. If so, it's easily rectified: I don't HAVE to do or say anything at all... and when I run out of 770 covers and N800 faceplates, we can call it done.
 
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