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danramos | # 701 | 2010-02-02, 22:29 | Report

Originally Posted by jcompagner View Post

reading this thread (i have to admit not every post

) i came to the conclusion that i don't really care if i dont get M6 on the N900 as long as i do get all the libs that the apps that are then made for M6 so that i can run them.

So if the latest QT libs are just working on the N900 then that means that every app thats build then is still working fine on the N900.. Also the other way around should Nokia support, so the M6 should be able to run all apps of that are made for the M5/N900. Dont break everything again.. Thats just bad for the developers and bad for the people that by the N900+1 and still don't really have apps from day 1.

But this does mean one thing. And i have said this before in other threads. I don't really care if the base OS is not updated any more at some point. BUT the problem is that the current firmware is not only the base OS, It has the email client (Modest) it has the browser (MicroB) it has the Media player and OVI Maps. (and i guess a few more but those are for me the most important onces)

So if it means that i don't get updates anymore also on those.. that would be bad, really really bad. (Modest really really needs to be way better, it doesnt compare to profimail on S60)
Please extract these from the firmware and let those 4 items be just repository applications that you can update.

Don't tell me because they are integrated in the OS. Please if thats the case then that is a very negative thing about linux/maemo. Windows even allows you to override all the default applications if you like....

So extract the applications from the firmware, make sure that M6 apps do run on M5 then i dont mind to much about not being able to upgrade the base OS...

I thought I'd complained about this PLENTY of times before, regarding my N800--and I thought I was told that these programs were removable in Maemo 5 without damaging the system, so you could free up the space for other apps that you prefer. Is this NOT the case?

Also, with regard to Nokia claiming maemo.org isn't a customer support site... where CAN customers go to where Nokia will survey complaints and obtain opinions on their products? Near as I can tell, it doesn't look like the company has ANY inclination to care for the customer, once a sale is completed.. which is, again, fine.. but this is the sort of thing that makes for a lot of regret and loss of loyalty, as I've been chanting repeatedly into the ether.

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GeneralAntilles | # 702 | 2010-02-02, 23:02 | Report

Originally Posted by danramos View Post

Also, with regard to Nokia claiming maemo.org isn't a customer support site... where CAN customers go to where Nokia will survey complaints and obtain opinions on their products? Near as I can tell, it doesn't look like the company has ANY inclination to care for the customer, once a sale is completed.. which is, again, fine.. but this is the sort of thing that makes for a lot of regret and loss of loyalty, as I've been chanting repeatedly into the ether.

http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-...are/contact-us

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flydeep | # 703 | 2010-02-02, 23:39 | Report

Online Email form:

https://www.nokiausa.com/get-support...ct-us/email-us

Ranting there could be helpful?

Originally Posted by GeneralAntilles View Post

http://www.nokiausa.com/get-support-...are/contact-us

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Mandor | # 704 | 2010-02-03, 01:28 | Report

Originally Posted by qgil View Post

Look, our time to start discussing Harmattan in more detail comes with the Harmattan alpha release. Think of it: makes sense. In the meantime Nokia representatives are encouraged not to make promises or especulate, which also makes total sense.

Maemo 5 has a roadmap of updates that includes more than bugfixes. It hasn't been disclosed, but the plan exists and is being executed as we speak.

No matter what you think today, I bet by the Harmattan alpha release your thoughts will be different based on the new information we will have shared with you. In the meantime, trust me: the value and usefulness of this thread beyond (say) the post 100 is arguable to say the least.

Happy now people ? We can all go back to our lives.

Originally Posted by qgil View Post

And for you to consider: if setting "Harmattan" target milestone in maemo.org bugs and brainstorms causes all this especulation, bad mood and anxiety then you are making it easier for someone to tell us (Nokians active in maemo.org) to stop sharing any Harmattan related information, for the good of the N900 customers. Threads like this one wouldn't help us defending the increase of openness beyond the scope of open source projects..

??? ... shut it or we will be evil ?

NvyUs | # 705 | 2010-02-03, 01:56 | Report

people wanting to lodge complaints or want official help can try here too http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/discussions/

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jakiman | # 706 | 2010-02-07, 05:22 | Report

Well, by the time Maemo 6 comes out, I can only assume that my N900 will most likely look quite bad compared to the new N950 or whatever it's going to be called. (cpu, gpu, memory, lcd etc etc) So if that's the case, I'll just upgrade to the newer phone. =P

N900 even if it is stuck with Maemo 5 was and still is and most likely will be the best little device you can get for quite some time. As qgil pointed out, it seems Nokia has some nice little surprises planned for us N900 users for some time. To me, that's more than enough of an answer to keep me happy for now. =)

danramos | # 707 | 2010-02-07, 05:42 | Report

Originally Posted by jakiman View Post

Well, by the time Maemo 6 comes out, I can only assume that my N900 will most likely look quite bad compared to the new N950 or whatever it's going to be called. (cpu, gpu, memory, lcd etc etc) So if that's the case, I'll just upgrade to the newer phone. =P

N900 even if it is stuck with Maemo 5 was and still is and most likely will be the best little device you can get for quite some time. As qgil pointed out, it seems Nokia has some nice little surprises planned for us N900 users for some time. To me, that's more than enough of an answer to keep me happy for now. =)

Given past history, I'll hold my excitement in check until I actually see something that impresses me. The price of the N900 is already the first roadblock and a no-go for me to bother with it as it is. Had there been a version made without the cellphone. There would have to be a LOOOT of compelling software functionality for me to want to bother spending near-laptop money on this thing and right now, it isn't there.

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gerbick | # 708 | 2010-02-07, 05:53 | Report

Originally Posted by danramos View Post

Given past history, I'll hold my excitement in check until I actually see something that impresses me. The price of the N900 is already the first roadblock and a no-go for me to bother with it as it is. Had there been a version made without the cellphone. There would have to be a LOOOT of compelling software functionality for me to want to bother spending near-laptop money on this thing and right now, it isn't there.

Ditto. I've gotten real used to carrying two devices and honestly, I'd rather have the browser on the N900, the screen from the N810, and ultimately I'd be able to drop my iPhone and go with a simpler phone, saving me $30 a month for data I rarely use outside of wi-fi areas.

The non-committal answers surrounding something as simple as "Yes, we'll continue to support your N900 with the next Maemo OS, thus making early adopters and their valuable input that much more important to refining step 4 out of 5 and making step 5 of 5 an inevitable success..." would lord... make me buy one right now.

Simply because then I'd know that in 13 months from release, I'd not be left behind like I was with the N810. Past behavior from Nokia made me gun shy. Then the price - sorry, I got hit during this recession finally - so knowing that I'll not be losing an investment.

Maybe being aloof is the new "hype" perhaps.

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jakiman | # 709 | 2010-02-07, 07:04 | Report

With ALL of my older Nokia/Philips/SonyEricsson/Samsung/LG phones over the past 15 years or so, I never cared or even expected new OS or new funky features to be added to the phone after about first 12 months. Heck, most phones, I never even updated to a newer firmware etc.

I guess the whole expectation of continous future support is also due to iPhone/Android and WinMo devices which are able to be upgraded to newer OS versions. Also, the fact that N900 is much more computer like than most other "phones". Well, I hope I can upgrade it to Maemo 6, but really, it's already good enough to last me a while till my next new flashy gadget from Nokia or others.

gerbick | # 710 | 2010-02-07, 07:15 | Report

My expectations would be much less if only the next iteration of the hardware was not using the same level of CPU. And given the nature of the prior internet tablets - some went all the way up to 2008HE on the 770 - the changes aren't that major to where the OS cannot be fit onto the machine as it stands.

Sure, there might be true reasons forthcoming why it will not work; but given what we know about the upcoming Maemo 6 device, it should be a no brainer.

As far as phones go, I'd like to get 2 full years out of one. For one that costs $600 USD, I'd expect that and no less. I'm coming up on 2 years with the iPhone3G, had the iPhone for almost 16 months... had a Startac for like 4 years, if not 5.

I don't want new features or a new OS on my phone as much as I'd like to have my new phones that boast more computer like inputs and updates and abilities to also be supported like my computers - for more than 1 year.

Call it a "portable computer", then support it like one. I do not buy a computer each year.

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