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SkyEagle is offline SkyEagle
2010-03-09 , 19:52
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#271
It seems that this night I will go at home very late

Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
You're right about the provisioning... as we have seen repeated ad nauseum in other threads.
In fact I am a reader of the mitic Vitaly (now he's disapperead...I think he's hard working on Mfe issues ;-) )
But the problem is not only provisioning (not much used in Europe in many company), but all the other issue & limitation:
- no support for recurring event sync
- no local/remote decent search in the email/contactcs etc
- no category sync
and we can go on...

Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
But my point about N vs E is all about feature prioritization. Granted there will be some crossover features, but Nokia has maintained a strong distinction between the product lines for some time.

This is just another example of why I think the N900 and its siblings should have had a separate designation. MC maybe?
Don't Know...but the features a device should have, I think, should be more related to the price you ask for that device and how you advertise: a mobile computer of 599€ should have all these aspects top level class and not worse then a 100 euro device....but I think it is quite clear what I would intended to tell...so I stop here...
 

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2010-03-09 , 20:02
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#272
Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
I'd be happy with EN900... best of both worlds - the perfect blend!


Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
I While I'm not looking for a business-oriented phone/device, the capabilities of Modest, Nokia Messaging and the Calendar are far below what I would expect (indeed, what I *had* 2 years ago) when using a common or garden N-Series phone. For a flagship N-Series device the N900 is a major let-down and Modest seems to be regressing with each PR release.
I quote all you messagge. Totally agree with you !

I only hope that PR 1.2 will improve at least Modest, since in the meantime it is released Tinymail 1.0 and the authors said that it will be included in PR 1.2 as a Modest upgrade.
It has many nice "new" features that are standard in all the competitors but, still, I would like to see as soon as possible on N900.
See the post:
http://blogs.igalia.com/svillar/2010...-1-0-released/

I'm not so confident however on the Calendar and phone app improvments but I would like to be in error.

We'll see in few days/hours I hope !
 
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2010-03-09 , 20:16
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#273
Originally Posted by mrojas View Post
I got an E71 and I can guess why he didn't pick the E72: the screen is small! Reading the web on it can be painful at times.
Prioritize your top 3 features and then buy the phone corresponding to those features.

Mine were :

1) Open source
2) Wi-Fi browsing
3) Screen Resolution 800x480 and above

Or if you prefer a "mobile browsing device"

SkyEagle's seems to be :

1) Full support Mail for Exchange
2) Complete navigation software
3) Calender + PIN

What I would call a business phone

Nokia naming convention :

Nseries : most advanced
Xseries : social entertainment
Eseries : productivity and business
Cseries : core range of products

So this is why I suggested an E72. If you want all that in one device then I don't know what to tell. Wait a few years maybe ?
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2010-03-09 , 20:17
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#274
Originally Posted by SkyEagle View Post
See the post:
http://blogs.igalia.com/svillar/2010...-1-0-released/
Yeah, I've seen it and it occurred to me that while they can blog about TinyMail they don't seem capable of communicating as effectively where bugs are concerned, and the bugs are racking up.

Since Maemo tablets are the only target audience for Modest/Tinymail/whatever I'd have expected to see more "presence" in b.m.o.

Usual Maemo crap though, maybe the Intel & LF guys will help get it right at last.
 
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2010-03-09 , 20:22
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#275
Originally Posted by Mandor View Post
1) Full support Mail for Exchange
2) Complete navigation software
3) Calender + PIN
1 & 2 are expected features on bog-standard N-Series phones - even my 2.5 year old N85 supports 1 & 2 so it's not unreasonable to expect the latest and most powerful flagship N-Series device to feature likewise. The fact that it doesn't is a problem that should be addressed, not ignored.

Item #3 (Calendar + PIM), yes - poor on most N-Series devices. However for Nokia to keep it that way purely as a means of differentiating N-Series devices from E-Series is not smart when the competition "consumer" phones already have much better Calendar functionality.
 
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2010-03-09 , 20:26
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#276
Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
1 & 2 are expected features on bog-standard N-Series phones - even my 2.5 year old N85 supports 1 & 2 so it's not unreasonable to expect the latest and most powerful flagship N-Series device to feature likewise. The fact that it doesn't is a problem that should be addressed, not ignored.

Item #3 (Calendar + PIM), yes - poor on most N-Series devices. However for Nokia to keep it that way purely as a means of differentiating N-Series devices from E-Series is not smart when the competition "consumer" phones already have much better Calendar functionality.
Ok point taken. You could always buy a phone from a competitor. My point is you would still have to ask yourself what are the top 3 features you couldn't live without.
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SkyEagle is offline SkyEagle
2010-03-09 , 20:29
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#277
Originally Posted by Mandor View Post
Prioritize your top 3 features and then buy the phone corresponding to those features.

Mine were :

1) Open source
2) Wi-Fi browsing
3) Screen Resolution 800x480 and above

Or if you prefer a "mobile browsing device"

SkyEagle's seems to be :

1) Full support Mail for Exchange
2) Complete navigation software
3) Calender + PIN

What I would call a business phone

So this is why I suggested an E72. If you want all that in one device then I don't know what to tell. Wait a few years maybe ?
In fact I wanted all of them in one device....well...the open source was not my priority number 1 but a very welcome plus (since I hate the Iphone/Apple lockup of devices and some limitation of 3GS).
Also navigator is not priority number one (since in my car I have a navigation system) but I would like to see as soon as possible a decent Navigator, when I go abroad I used often the navigator on the phone).

I think that it is now possible to have almost of all those requirements, and even more, with the last devices from HTC, Apple, Google etc... I choose Nokia also for the tradition of the brand in good phone devices (Iphone has weak phone reception) my expreience with other devices and the opinion of many initial users were great for this aspect..

But we're going off topic of the thread...
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2010-03-09 , 20:39
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#278
By doing differentiating they try to give customer choice of device that is cost efficient to Nokia and also to customer. Believe it or not there is actually customers who will not want specific function or hardware and they like it that way (it would be packed with too much something..yes some people see it like that). Unfortunately these people are in minority. In my experience, sorry , it's over 40 old dads (Look Nokia's CEOs, but actually they are starting to get it finally) They did not completely see that right now customers demand everything to be on highest level on this kind of device. Read Ari Jaaksis blog about facebook/twitter people who only care about browser, IM/SMS, video (not spreadsheets and word processing). Thatīs actually his vision. Fact is that these same "hip" people got to also work And they want besides of all the other things all the E-series functionality. So would it make E-series less atractive? Probably. Would it eat e series market? Probably. Itīs all about business, but this kind of business is not going to take you long anymore. And actually I see that Nokia is gradually starting to realize this.

I have to agree that right now these device is gradually IMHO going to its orginal price level. For me it would probably have started somewhere about 300 €.
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2010-03-09 , 20:44
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#279
Originally Posted by Milhouse View Post
1 & 2 are expected features on bog-standard N-Series phones - even my 2.5 year old N85 supports 1 & 2 so it's not unreasonable to expect the latest and most powerful flagship N-Series device to feature likewise. The fact that it doesn't is a problem that should be addressed, not ignored..
I don't believe this is being ignored.
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2010-03-09 , 20:48
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Originally Posted by Texrat View Post
I don't believe this is being ignored.
By all means point me to any discussion from the developers where they publicly acknowledge and commit to fixing the known issues?

In an ideal world I would expect you to mention b.m.o, but that's pretty much a Modest developer-free zone these days...
 
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