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Delta | # 51 | 2010-04-08, 17:07 | Report

Originally Posted by junooni View Post

you see this is where

i think that perhaps i should act like u too & dig my head in the sand as well & just look the other way and say " Well those are fart aaps". They certainly arent fart aaps
cus majority of ppl woud not settle for just fart aaps.

Click on this if you care.
http://dailymobile.se/2010/04/02/iph...manufacturers/

Now compare these stats and then compare the price tags. And do the math, where is the more bang for ur buck??
And please fellas! the ideaof this threadis not to be personal but just to talk about progress of teh community and mainly talk about noakia's commitment towards n900 via your un-biast opinions ((Un-Biast)).

I don't think you quite understood me, what I'm saying, as I have personally seen as in my experience is that there no useful free apps.
and I was aware how many people are "into" the iPhone, thus naturally would rate how high they're satisfied; besides...how many of those have their devices jailbroken, or let's say...downloading they're apps illegally, which I would confess would make you pretty satisfied.
how exactly did they preform this study anyway?

oh and notice... to quote the article :
"* Younger users continue to be more satisfied with their handset regardless of whether it is a traditional mobile phone or a smartphone. Satisfaction among traditional mobile phone users 18 years old to 24 years old is 35 index points higher than the segment average, while satisfaction among smartphone users within the same age range is 18 index points above the segment average. "

now what does this footnote tell me?

cjard | # 52 | 2010-04-08, 17:21 | Report

Originally Posted by bandora View Post

Or for the people that has the patience and the knowledge on how to search the internet...

Oh, what a beautifully welcoming, helpful non-self-righteous attitude!!! Having a bad day?

Developing for this device is overly hard, and things just don't work properly. As a C# developer I'm used to a nice environment that works well and helps me be productive.. I chose Qt+MADDE and it was a serious uphill struggle to get it working (and no, it still doesnt have debugging helpers available despite itself claiming they are installed).. The whole development cycle needs to be simpler. If you start an internet search you get several ways of developing an app for the N900, and they require inordinate amounts of effort.

It should be as simple as: Download IDE, plug in N900 (or other device), do some quick config and then start working through Qt tutorials: there are hundreds of developers out there with good ideas and skills but they get put off easily because the door is too hard to open.

It's not cool to say "if youre too dumb to use google, we don't want you coding apps for our device"

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cjard | # 53 | 2010-04-08, 17:23 | Report

Originally Posted by Delta View Post

in my experience is that there no useful free apps.

I was told by an iPhone fanboy (well.. girl, actually) that an app for the iPhone costs less than a sausage roll.. So why not just buy it? You'd buy a sausage roll if you were hungry

I do kinda see the point

cjard | # 54 | 2010-04-08, 17:35 | Report

Originally Posted by roger_27 View Post

PINSH -

I'm guessing you mean that question in curiosity, and not to sound like a smart *** (the internet sure can misconstrue these things) but for me the problem is not C++ vs C#, but rather which direction to go get to the damned IDE. One tutorial I was looking at showed you just type all this stuff at a command prompt?

http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/QtCreato...on_for_windows

You can skip the usb networking part if your pc and yur phone are on a home wifi router

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1. a breif explanation as to how maemo development works. what talks to what, to talk to what.

Well, QtC is the IDE. Qt+MADDE gives compilers that run in windows and produce either windows or ARM binaries. The Win binaries run on windows,, you can actually dev an app, run it in windows, check it.. goes on the net or whatever, then recompile it for the phone and run it there

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2. a breif explanation on the different methods you can do to begin developement, and possibly their pros and cons (from what I have been reading there are 2 or 3 ways to make apps for these things)

If I work the others out, I'll let you know.. for now I'm using Qt 4.5, QtCreator, MADDE.. Ive no idea about python, or QtPython, or PyQt or whatever it's called.. But python is another populat way to get apps running on this device. It's interpreted though, so a bit slower..

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also needed is some explaining on why sometimes you need to include the things you include

Erm, cos include is like adding a reference in C# - if you dont include the header file that defines SuperObj, you cant use SuperObj

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and how optifying works

In my head it's just a symbolic directory that links out of the limited C: (os) drive on the phone to the bigger D: drive, and thts where you should dump all your junk, not on C:
Not that Maemo has drive letters.. devices are mounted as folders, but thats not a hard concept to grasp if you consider C: and D: are just folders inside "my computer"

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how the repositories work (as far as developing and registering your app into one), how the bug tracker works, how the project pages work

No idea on those.. but theyre kinda like a download site, from a user perspective

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I couldn't program my way out of a paper bag when it came to this Maemo beast.

I know how you feel.. how about .NET for N900.. Does Mono project do that?

[quote]all I've got is a virtual machine that I'm not even sure is installed right. lol.[/quote

aha.. the hard way.. read that wiki link, it does actually work

junooni | # 55 | 2010-04-08, 18:03 | Report

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

I think the primary mistake here is assuming that Nokia, from the outset, was intending to push into the realm of the iPhone with the N900. They pulled directly from their internet tablet line, and -still- hold the N97 as their flagship device, which does have reliable access to the Ovi store along with all of their other phones.

Also, a huge part of the developmental frameworks as they exist in Maemo 5 are open source, so Nokia can only apply so much pressure here. In a sense this is why they're moving to Qt, so that they can give you the static, unchanging API you need for closed applications.

I'd say that their strategy was to step Maemo from WiFi only to WiFi + GSM data network. Then it was strangely successful and attracted people who didn't look at where it came from, only at what others were doing, thinking Nokia was intent on doing the same.

What do you consider "proper development?"

To be totally fair, the Application Manager is effecively just a front end for apt and dpkg. It's not designed to do any of that.

I think there's a large number of people who came thinking that Maemo was just like Android, built from the ground up to be a Phone OS with an App Store ready to go just like them, then don't bother to look at where it came from and the community that was already here.

See

it just doesnt go any where on this forum, ppl here will just defend nokia & their strategies blindly and no fact or figure would effect their views.
Professionals on this forum have accepted the shortcomings of nokia. We can dodge the point by blaming the age group or the technicality of aap generation but really at the end of the Nokia is not the one with a finished product, and it fails to satisfy it's high paying customers. And this is coming from a very loyal Nokia customer. Like i said before I love my device but i wish in comarison to what's out there in the market for a cheaper price tag, my device couldve been a bit up to speed.

wmarone | # 56 | 2010-04-08, 18:12 | Report

Originally Posted by junooni View Post

See

it just doesnt go any where on this forum, ppl here will just defend nokia & their strategies blindly and no fact or figure would effect their views.

So what you're saying is that we can't make a point you'll ever accept, and we're always going to be deluded.

I'm not disappointed with my N900, therefore I have my head in the sand. Thank you for telling me the true state of my subconscious, regret filled mind.

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Professionals on this forum have accepted the shortcomings of nokia.

Well it's not like we can force Nokia to do stuff, now can we? However, I chose Nokia because unlike, say, Apple they don't dictate what I can do with my device and they don't reinvent the wheel like Android.

You're complaining about Nokia. maemo.org is not Nokia.

junooni | # 57 | 2010-04-08, 18:14 | Report

Originally Posted by cjard View Post

I was told by an iPhone fanboy (well.. girl, actually) that an app for the iPhone costs less than a sausage roll.. So why not just buy it? You'd buy a sausage roll if you were hungry

I do kinda see the point

Your'e right, cus in .99c u get practicality, reliability, and staisfaction.

wmarone | # 58 | 2010-04-08, 18:16 | Report

Originally Posted by junooni View Post

Your'e right, cus in .99c u get practicality, reliability, and staisfaction.

Neither $0.99 cents nor $30,000 get you anything but a pile of software. Whether it works well or not depends entirely upon the developer.

junooni | # 59 | 2010-04-08, 18:27 | Report

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

So what you're saying is that we can't make a point you'll ever accept, and we're always going to be deluded.

I'm not disappointed with my N900, therefore I have my head in the sand. Thank you for telling me the true state of my subconscious, regret filled mind.

Well it's not like we can force Nokia to do stuff, now can we? However, I chose Nokia because unlike, say, Apple they don't dictate what I can do with my device and they don't reinvent the wheel like Android.

You're complaining about Nokia. maemo.org is not Nokia.

but maemo.org deals with the devices made by nokia, ppl are at maemo.org cus of nokia. Sure apple restricts you, but as promised it delivers as well. When the firmware comes out on the promised date it comes out globally, not for different regions.
U talk about Andriod, we all know how new that software is and yet it was able to develop better and alot more pieces of software in comparison to the so called hitech, extra ordinary, open source, and unlimited linux based OS.

junooni | # 60 | 2010-04-08, 18:28 | Report

Originally Posted by wmarone View Post

Neither $0.99 cents nor $30,000 get you anything but a pile of software. Whether it works well or not depends entirely upon the developer.

As the man posted above its works for the customer..so its a win win situtation for the developer.