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2007-07-26
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Originally Posted by Frankowitz
The right menu should go; top menus should be replaced by bottom, sliding-up menus (much easier to reach with the stylus); icons should be replaced by bigger ones and "dead space" should be removed from the desktop; icon consistency should be made a serious priority; HWR input should be changed into full-screen, modeless input (no box to write in that pops up whenever you want it the least!); the virtual keyboard should be replaced with this (http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2...oard-for-n800/) one, preferrably made transparent; the apalling Notes applet should be replaced with a normal text editor, instead of a crappy-html-producing one; either Documents To Go should be incorporated into the standard firmware, or fully Hildonized versions of Abiword and Gnumeric, with a yet to be created database program should be produced; something like GPE should be made the standard PIM and the "Contacts" abomination sold to Microsoft.
I don't see why one would alter the UI from the N800 much. If anything, I'd make it simpler and the right-side menu and statusbar could be more customizable. Same goes for look & feel: the fontsize should be an option, not by manually changing system files whilst having root access. The simple launcher (not Nokia, I know) should have more options like multi-row and commandline input. Also, the apps that are on the desktop should have a transparant option. The clock applet and weblauncher for example are plain ugly when not transparant.
Just off the top of my head, you understand...
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2007-07-26
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rofl @ "Contacts" abomination
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2007-07-26
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Originally Posted by iball
Whoa, whoa... slow down iball. This wasn't meant to be a thread of negativity. If you disagree with kicking around UI ideas, that's fine... but there's no reason to come in here and start sniping.
If I want an iPhone, then I'll buy one.
But I don't. I don't care how "cool" the UI is on the iPhone (yes, I've used one) for an internet tablet like the N800 I prefer what it currently has, with a few additional apps to make it easier/faster to launch applications with.
And if you think Apple hasn't pretty much patented everything on the iPhone from the UI down to the hardware itself then you're just deluding yourself.
Apple learned it's lesson from the great Apple v. Microsoft battles of yore and patents EVERYTHING it comes up with now.
They would jump at the chance to go after their new competition - Nokia - if they try to make the N800 more "iPhone-like".
And if Apple files the case in a certain court in Texas, then they pretty much automatically win.
As for patents, no one is deluding themselves. In fact, since you bring up the infamous Apple-MS GUI war, you'll recall Apple LOST that one, since most GUI elements had been developed by Xerox PARC, which foolishly let them into public domain.
Anyway, I think there are plenty of possibilities with the tablets that won't merit a legitimate Apple lawsuit. As has already been noted, Canola 2 is employing some.
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2007-07-26
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Id have to say the iPhone has a killer interface.. very intuitive..
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2007-07-26
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Originally Posted by E-ville
It's a finger-based UI; for pen input it really sucks (forgetting for the moment that the iPhone (<spit!>) can't even be used with a normal stylus).
Id have to say the iPhone has a killer interface.. very intuitive..
I agree that Apple knows their way in UI-land, but a quick comparison of the Newton UI with the iPhone's (<spit!>) should make it clear that they are two completely different beasts.
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2007-07-26
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What Apple does very well is make UI's that are pleasant to use for nitwits and pro's alike. Something Microsoft (waiting for that spit, Karel ) never got right.
With the Internet Tablet's UI you got something of both worlds - some things are suitable for nitwits, others strictly for the pro's (for example something basic as changing fontsize).
Last edited by Frankowitz; 2007-07-26 at 14:22.
) never got right.With the Internet Tablet's UI you got something of both worlds - some things are suitable for nitwits, others strictly for the pro's (for example something basic as changing fontsize).
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2007-07-26
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I'm with Texrat, when the 770 came out I always was confused by why they came out with its particular UI design. I love my n800, but the biggest gripe that I've always had with it, is that it mimics more of a desktop then a mobile device. Granted I think that was the reasoning for its creation, (to be middle ground device between desktops and PDAs) but the problem lies in that it is a mobile device. There are certain user interactions that lend itself to using a stylus or touch screen and that is something a desktop can't mimic. And I've always thought that the hildon UI failed in that aspect. It's not bad, but It can be a lot better.
I think the UI should be simplified. We all know how powerful the underbelly of the N800 is, so why make it look complicated and desktop-like? The launch bar was one of the best apps created. Simple and powerful and most importantly customizable. Using something like that to access the innards of the system would be great.
Conola an UKMP are excellent examples of user interaction that can be applied to system interactivity. Even if flashy animations weren't done, a simplified non-flashy UI would benefit the most on the n800.
The IT need to focus on the context of what they can do and stop trying to mimic something they are not. Not sure but if I get a chance I'll try to draw up a UI concept in my head. Maybe that can clarify my comments a bit.
I think the UI should be simplified. We all know how powerful the underbelly of the N800 is, so why make it look complicated and desktop-like? The launch bar was one of the best apps created. Simple and powerful and most importantly customizable. Using something like that to access the innards of the system would be great.
Conola an UKMP are excellent examples of user interaction that can be applied to system interactivity. Even if flashy animations weren't done, a simplified non-flashy UI would benefit the most on the n800.
The IT need to focus on the context of what they can do and stop trying to mimic something they are not. Not sure but if I get a chance I'll try to draw up a UI concept in my head. Maybe that can clarify my comments a bit.
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2007-07-26
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The very idea of wallpaper on the N800 confuses me because if you have any thing else on the ‘desktop’ like a clock or RSS then you really can’t see it. One of the many well-done ideas of the iPhone is the main view with just programs listed. I think the N800 needs something like this. I would prefer something like the latest implementation of the UKMP; I would love it if the main view was just a list of programs that I could kinetically scroll through. I also think there should not be two menu bars—one on the top and left side. Just one on the top or bottom would be better IMHO because it would take up less space. If the file browser mimicked the program browser—full screen-ish with kinetic scrolling—that would be nice too. The current file browsing is too small.
I would not want the entire OS to be finger input like the iPhone because I like using Gnumeric and it is difficult to imagine how entering figures in cells could be done easily with a finger.
I would not want the entire OS to be finger input like the iPhone because I like using Gnumeric and it is difficult to imagine how entering figures in cells could be done easily with a finger.
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2007-07-26
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Originally Posted by cporto
Because I'm not an idiot that needs a Fisher-Price interface that insults the intelligence of the user, much the same way the Wii does to video gamers.
We all know how powerful the underbelly of the N800 is, so why make it look complicated and desktop-like?
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Last edited by Frankowitz; 2007-07-26 at 13:29.