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2010-04-30
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I think the reason why people complain about the likes of PR1.x (where x = y - 1) compared to the golden oldies is that we need a PR1.x
It's evident in almost all asspects of software in todays world, if we cast our minds back to the age of the megadrive,nes or snes we see a time where games were released and never needed updating, some people may argue tha games were easier to create and that it was a much simpler time but it's the simple things that get left out, the games of today look great, have complex maths to work out the likes of gravity etc, but it's always things like "the controls suck" or "I get to level 8 and walk to this point and the game crashes" that need updating.
Basically what Im saying is that the true difference between todays mobile os and that of yesterdays has nothing todo with us moaning about it or the fact that we are pathetic etc but becuse we have come to expect a certain standard of production. having my phone playing music randomly is a big problem and makes me wonder how problems like this are not picked up, my megadrive never switched itself on.
It's tru that moaning will not get us anywhere but I dont think it's true to say that we should all just be happy with what we have, it's this attitude that allows for companies to slack off even more!
It's evident in almost all asspects of software in todays world, if we cast our minds back to the age of the megadrive,nes or snes we see a time where games were released and never needed updating, some people may argue tha games were easier to create and that it was a much simpler time but it's the simple things that get left out, the games of today look great, have complex maths to work out the likes of gravity etc, but it's always things like "the controls suck" or "I get to level 8 and walk to this point and the game crashes" that need updating.
Basically what Im saying is that the true difference between todays mobile os and that of yesterdays has nothing todo with us moaning about it or the fact that we are pathetic etc but becuse we have come to expect a certain standard of production. having my phone playing music randomly is a big problem and makes me wonder how problems like this are not picked up, my megadrive never switched itself on.
It's tru that moaning will not get us anywhere but I dont think it's true to say that we should all just be happy with what we have, it's this attitude that allows for companies to slack off even more!
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2010-04-30
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Originally Posted by Spotfist
No one said anything about people not demanding quality service from companies. Also, no one said that Nokia didn't make some mistakes that should be rectified (Ovi store being the biggest one). The world of business is harsh, if they make too many, people will turn to the competition.
It's tru that moaning will not get us anywhere but I dont think it's true to say that we should all just be happy with what we have, it's this attitude that allows for companies to slack off even more!
However, it is one thing to expect something and ask for it, its entirely another matter to whine constantly. A lot of people here demand things that are not reasonable. Demanding for bug fixes is one thing, demanding for them THIS SECOND is another. Take PR1.2 for example. Its going through a complicated QA process and it is late. Yes, late - I would like to have it now like everyone else. But I'm not going to start a thread with the title "NOKIA SUCKS" because of it. Its not as if someone in Nokia is sleeping on the job or as if they are delaying it on purpose. And its not as if this thing doesn't happen to every company.
Same with all those "worst phone ever" threads. While you don't have to like every aspect of N900 (or any other device for that matter), dismissing it entirely because it lacks a certain feature is just childish.
There is a fine line between being unreasonable and being critical. A fine line, but a crucial one.
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2010-04-30
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Originally Posted by crown77
My god, man, use punctuation marks from time to time! I had to read this twice just to be able to split your text into sentences, and even then it was hard to follow.
@ivanzorkic are you working for nokia? sorry but i cant understand why you say this, if you work in the IT ....
So lets take a look at the N900/Maemo..Nokia isnt telling the Customers about when they will bring there next Update you know what i mean in a real world if they would sell some other Softwareproduct this wouldnt be possible.. I payed for the Device and the Software on it all i want is that they do there job to fix the Problems. I could live with some delays if i know why they are happen i mean its Open Source isnt it? And if your friend is in the Councile maybe he can tell us a little about the Backround.
best regards Crown
Anyway, here are your answers:
1. I don't work for Nokia.
2. Yes its their job to fix the problems and they will fix everything they can. But fixing problems takes time. A rushed fix can only cause more problems.
3. Nokia isn't telling you when the update is coming because they themselves are not sure. They make a patch, they send it to QA, if it clears - they air it, if not - they have to fix it over again. And I can only imagine how you and people like you would react if they *did* announce it and had to bail on that promise because something went wrong. To quote a friend - it's always better to promise nothing and overdeliver, then to promise something and underdeliver.
4. All companies work this way. Think its better elsewhere?
5. If you think it's your right to demand patches and updates at your leisure, why ask for fixes in the first place? Why not demand a device that is perfect out of the box?
6. Your device is not for life. If you don't like it - don't buy from the same company next time. But don't whine about it and be realistic with your expectations. Judging by what you wrote just now, I am pretty sure you would flame the same way with every device, from Androids to the iPhone.
Last edited by ivanzorkic; 2010-04-30 at 10:01.
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2010-04-30
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"However, it is one thing to expect something and ask for it, its entirely another matter to whine constantly"
Who are these people and why do you keep reading their posts? Your posts are pretty much exactly what your are complaining about...
Your first post also comes across as if we should all be happy with what we have and says nothing about "demanding quality service". All I'm saying is that some people have been "tricked" into buying the n900, I showed the phone to my brother and the things I could do on it... well lets just say I had to scrape bits of his head off the floor, he was blown away.
The thing is that he is an "average joe" yes the phone looks awesome but when he realises he wont be able to send an mms or something similar one would take for granted, again the scrapping up of his head off the floor would be required, some people are angry and nokia should know about this.
I think that these people should do more research when buying a phone as I did but at the same time Nokia should be taking more responsability, fixing the simple problems and at least trying to do it in a constructive manour as apposed to reducing most of this site to threads regarding Chuck Norris or people complaining about there phones.
Who are these people and why do you keep reading their posts? Your posts are pretty much exactly what your are complaining about...
Your first post also comes across as if we should all be happy with what we have and says nothing about "demanding quality service". All I'm saying is that some people have been "tricked" into buying the n900, I showed the phone to my brother and the things I could do on it... well lets just say I had to scrape bits of his head off the floor, he was blown away.
The thing is that he is an "average joe" yes the phone looks awesome but when he realises he wont be able to send an mms or something similar one would take for granted, again the scrapping up of his head off the floor would be required, some people are angry and nokia should know about this.
I think that these people should do more research when buying a phone as I did but at the same time Nokia should be taking more responsability, fixing the simple problems and at least trying to do it in a constructive manour as apposed to reducing most of this site to threads regarding Chuck Norris or people complaining about there phones.
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2010-04-30
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Originally Posted by ivanzorkic
He's German. Instead of writing irrelevant replies and basically stupidity and non-sense that nobody wants to read, maybe do something creative? Go create a machine that makes you disappear...you'll... make millions
My god, man, use punctuation marks from time to time! I had to read this twice just to be able to split your text into sentences, and even then it was hard to follow.
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2010-04-30
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Originally Posted by Spotfist
There are no average joes any more. Plus, if we are still beating the dead MMS horse, do you by any chance recall the story of MMS on the iPhone ? How much time did it take ? Did all models get it ? Did we have a community MMS app in about a MONTH after general availability ? Seriously, have a little faith. At least in the community, if not in Nokia.
The thing is that he is an "average joe" yes the phone looks awesome but when he realises he wont be able to send an mms or something similar one would take for granted, again the scrapping up of his head off the floor would be required, some people are angry and nokia should know about this.
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2010-04-30
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Trust me my brother is defo an average joe! he would turn the phone on, use it and go "wow this is sooo awesome" but as soon as I send him an mms he would be on the phone to me saying "wtf?!?! blah, blah, blah, how do I do it?" he would never look at this site!
Lots of people dont read up on forums, they just expect it to work. Also the only reason I bring up the mms "dead horse" is because honestly it's the only thing I can think af that I can't really do with my phone that annoys me, the community here is great and it's a shame we are all sat around like zombies waiting for pr1.2
All I'm trying to say is that, first off being horrable to people who don't like this phone and may have bought it for the wrong reasons isn't a great way to get people interested in this site and secondly, Nokia should be talking to it's customers more, hell we don't even know whats happening with the hk release of 1.2?!?!
To be honest this whole argument is mute becasue as I said in my previous post we are all bickering over nothing and becoming the thing we are complaining about...
Lots of people dont read up on forums, they just expect it to work. Also the only reason I bring up the mms "dead horse" is because honestly it's the only thing I can think af that I can't really do with my phone that annoys me, the community here is great and it's a shame we are all sat around like zombies waiting for pr1.2
All I'm trying to say is that, first off being horrable to people who don't like this phone and may have bought it for the wrong reasons isn't a great way to get people interested in this site and secondly, Nokia should be talking to it's customers more, hell we don't even know whats happening with the hk release of 1.2?!?!
To be honest this whole argument is mute becasue as I said in my previous post we are all bickering over nothing and becoming the thing we are complaining about...
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2010-04-30
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@ivanzorkic
very well written, and I'm incredibly happy for you that you love your N900, warts and all.
But, just as it is your opinion that we should all stop whining and love the N900, there are other opinions that suggest it is currently an incomplete device. If we are to respect your opinion, then we need to respect the other opinions also.
And whining? what is that exactly? seems like any comment suggesting the N900 is deficient in some way is taken as whining.
very well written, and I'm incredibly happy for you that you love your N900, warts and all.
But, just as it is your opinion that we should all stop whining and love the N900, there are other opinions that suggest it is currently an incomplete device. If we are to respect your opinion, then we need to respect the other opinions also.
And whining? what is that exactly? seems like any comment suggesting the N900 is deficient in some way is taken as whining.
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2010-04-30
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Originally Posted by attila77
But you have to admit that repeating Apple's initial folly on the MMS wasn't exactly a good look for Nokia. Given the release of the N900 and the premise that the N900 was a more "powerful" phone based on a more "powerful" (or full-featured) OS really doesn't seem at all "powerful" when it cannot send a MMS out of the box.
There are no average joes any more. Plus, if we are still beating the dead MMS horse, do you by any chance recall the story of MMS on the iPhone ? How much time did it take ? Did all models get it ? Did we have a community MMS app in about a MONTH after general availability ? Seriously, have a little faith. At least in the community, if not in Nokia.
And fMMS isn't exactly something I'd call truly integrated. It's a solution, but it's rather bolted on.
And... all versions of the iPhone got MMS after the upgrade was made available. But fMMS sure as hell came faster than the iPhone update.
MMS aside, there are other "holes & gaps" that make the N900 not seem as powerful to the consumer than it should. Developers and members of this site know quite well what the N900 is capable of... but without Game X on the N900, or ability to sync to OS X on the N900... it's a waiting game.
Just like the waiting game for PR1.2. But you're right... faith is necessary. I just hope it pays off. Didn't really pay off in the long-term for the N810.
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